Posts by StarTrekAngel

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Is it true: the memorial will stop after the last anointed have passed away?

by FinchAndWeston in

i heard that the memorial will stop after the last anointed have passed away ... is this information true/false?

just curious.

it's secondhand.

StarTrekAngel

I heard the same things at our memorial. Thought it was just a bad speech. Bad speech because we all 'know' what the bible says. When Jesus comes and all of the anointed are selected, no one would part take anymore. Two things stroke me though...

1- The bible says we would no longer do this once Jesus is back but is actually referring to, in the views of JW, to partaking. That doesn't automatically mean that a memorial or remembrance has to cease. We could basically say that this annual ritual, again based on the views and belief of JW, that this memorial started the night of passover in Egypt and has been celebrated since, even when the perfect sacrificial lamb has already been offered.

2- The tone of the speech made me feel they were referring to more current times and not so much to the new system.. Almost like if they were preparing the R&F for a culmination. IF we couple this with the latest trend of questioning the mental health of the anointed, it would not be difficult to imagine the end of this ceremony. Remember, in 2014 they posed the question out there as to wether that could be our last memorial. At the moment we all thought they were banking on the fear factor of the 100 years of the kingdom but, while the later could be true, it is interesting how this pairs up with the talk given this week.

While I can't say with certainty, it makes sense to think that they would want to end it if they can pull it off. For once, is a celebration that probably brings them little revenue. As far as I recall they have never used the memorial to beg for money. In many cases they rent places to do it so it actually costs money. On top of that, this is the last remnant of power for the anointed. If you were to stop the memorial, being anointed would not amount to more than another title without significance. The anointed are losing ground while growing in number. Most JWs with "two fingers of forehead" (in Spanish used as a measure of bare minimum intelligence) realizes that, wether is by culmination or elimination, the anointed have to all go (edit: not all go but at least reduce numbers, not grow) before the GT comes around. With the number of partakers growing, they are undermining the idea of 'the end is near'. What better way give themselves another bit of credibility, cut cost and finally remove the power the anointed, if they ever had any, still hold?

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Attended memorial last night

by StarTrekAngel in

so since i have not been to any meetings in like 2 months because of health issues, i had to decide what to do about the memorial.

my health has improved quite a bit and i feel much better than i did 2 months ago.

i could still have used the "not feeling well" card and stay home.

StarTrekAngel

So since I have not been to any meetings in like 2 months because of health issues, I had to decide what to do about the memorial. My health has improved quite a bit and I feel much better than I did 2 months ago. I could still have used the "not feeling well" card and stay home. But since only my wife knows about my disagreements with this cult, and to avoid upsetting the balance, I decided to go.

A few weeks back, we had a brief discussion and I referred to her that it had not gone unnoticed that no one had bothered to come see me. She had mentioned that one of the elders wanted to and communicated so to her but he never did. She said everyone kept on asking about me. I said I was referring to an actual visit, not a scripted proxy greeting. Since that discussion, she made it a point to relate to me every greeting that they are sending to me thru her. Every time she came back from a meeting she would say... so and so says hi!. so and so asked about you.

So I also figure, when I attend the memorial, lets see how many of them actually come to me. Well, there is also this brothers, whom I use to play soccer with for like 3 years. Every Sunday, the whole congo would get together after the meeting to play soccer and this guy was there. Later on he married and moved out of state. He is a real dedicated and spiritual brother and every now and then he comes back to the congo to visit his parents. So he was one of the many who send his regards thru my wife, as he happened to be in town for the week. I figure that we don't really see each other anymore so he actually meant it.

Moving on to last night, we walked into the hall and there was a line of brothers and sisters (at least 12 of them) on each side of the door, greeting everyone who came in. It almost seemed fabricated (would not shock me if it was).

Total tally for the night? Those at the door were the only ones who bothered shacking my hand or my wife's hand for any matter. I don't believe this has anything to do with our spiritual situation, they simply did not care to see me there. And the brother that used to play soccer with me? We sat in the row right in front of him. When we were done, not even eye contact.

Again, at no point did I sense this was shunning. It was more like I never left. I say so because that is about how it felt before. So much for the loving brotherhood that it is so interested in me and my welfare. Its all words...

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2016-3-20-BOE!

by Atlantis in

2016-3-20-boe.

.. to applicants for the school for kingdom evangelizers.. http://we.tl/byfdshrdfc.

.. .. atlantis!.

StarTrekAngel

Is this letter going to be read to the congregation?

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"Don't make mountains out of molehills"

by stephanie61092 in

during the talk today, the speaker said, in reference to apostates, "don't make mountains out of molehills" and "all those who are do good to look up isaiah 43:18.

" to save you trouble, it says: "do not remember the former things, and do not dwell on the past.".

i'd like to see him read that scripture to the victims of the hundreds and hundreds of abuse cases the arc has unveiled from over the past 50 years.

StarTrekAngel

And such quotes are the ones I was referring to when I started this

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5717851243544576/use-quotes-explain-confront-life

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A New Watchtower trade name: Hudson Valley

by Gorbatchov in

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friends

watchtower and trading business is a never ending combination, now under the new name of hudson valley, selling their building machines online: .

http://used-tools-equipment.com.

StarTrekAngel

Oh.. and housing and feeding the 3000 volunteers is also done by volunteers. Don't forget they also bought many buildings for this very purpose, robbing nearby towns of great tax revenue once old hotels were converted to non-taxable real state.

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The use of quotes to explain/confront life...

by StarTrekAngel in

anyone who's ever confronted the hr department at your job, especially in professional/technical environments, or a counselor, or, to keep this on topic, your elders.

knows that there is a number of well crafted quotes out there, that are good to make a point across.

quotes that are used to attempt to inspire you, challenge you or make you think out of the box.

StarTrekAngel

Understood.. I am putting this in the context of the quote. Not in real physics.

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Blood Transfusion and Eating

by dugout in

i get highly irritated when this subject comes up.

this idiot gave a talk in my hall recently and said that transfusion of blood and eating blood was the same thing.

my wife accepts this reasoning.

StarTrekAngel

I remember talks in which we were told that, regarding blood, we needed to be careful when we were invited to eat, especially around other cultures, where we were not aware of food preparation. They exemplified some latin american cultures where certain whole birds are cooked with their blood still in them. We were also warned about cooking steak rare.

My question now would be, if cooking stake rare means eating blood, how is it that we are willing to eat blood if it is fully cooked? ( I do understand the red in rare steak is not technically blood)

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Lost on how to respond...

by babygirl30 in

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friends

so an old friend of mine from the congregation hit me up today.

the story goes like this when we were jw's:.

- this guy used to be madly in love with me but i didn't see him as anything more than a friend.

StarTrekAngel

Simply tell him that you wrote to offer your support. That you would explain why you are not going back but that given the way things played out (you were writing to offer your condolences) and how long it has been, you feel that is not sensible to change the subject so abruptly. That you know that Jehovah cares (even if you don't believe so) but you are shocked by the fact that it is obvious (by his wording) and by his response, that he doesn't care (he did not include himself or the other brothers in his statements, only God)

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The use of quotes to explain/confront life...

by StarTrekAngel in

anyone who's ever confronted the hr department at your job, especially in professional/technical environments, or a counselor, or, to keep this on topic, your elders.

knows that there is a number of well crafted quotes out there, that are good to make a point across.

quotes that are used to attempt to inspire you, challenge you or make you think out of the box.

StarTrekAngel

Anyone who's ever confronted the HR department at your job, especially in professional/technical environments, or a counselor, or, to keep this on topic, your elders. knows that there is a number of well crafted quotes out there, that are good to make a point across. Quotes that are used to attempt to inspire you, challenge you or make you think out of the box. If there is one place where such quotes are constantly published out of any contexts, is social media. People tend to simply post pictures with quotes. They hardly ever bother to post them in the context of a story. They are simply regurgitated as the answer to life's problems but often times, I find myself questioning how the quote applies. Some are so open ended that, in my opinion, are prone to being, and firmly believe that in many cases, they are being used to abuse power or authority.

For example, consider the following quote.

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

The above, allegedly by Ghandi (but the true source is challenged as I read), can hardly be miss applied in my view. If I am arguing with you, especially if we have an ideological confrontation, I can not throw that quote at you pretending that it would be in your favor. In essence, I would be encouraging you to keep in your path and that you will eventually win over me. If instead, I am looking to make you accept the status quo and I want you to accept things the way they are, even when it is in a clear disadvantage to you, I could direct you to the typical... try to see the glass as half full rather than half empty. We've been there... don't look at the shortcomings of the brothers, look at their strengths. Don't look for blame or mistakes in the org, just think of the many people we are helping become better parents, leave drugs and vices, etc. In other words, to me, certain quotes and catchy phrases are abused and I have had my fair share of people trying to switch the blame to me by using quotes of that nature. So here I propose an end to this by quoting...

Consider the glass always half full, not half empty..... so long that the person who passes the glass to you is not the one who drank the other half when you were not looking.

Your thoughts?

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A New Watchtower trade name: Hudson Valley

by Gorbatchov in

jw
friends

watchtower and trading business is a never ending combination, now under the new name of hudson valley, selling their building machines online: .

http://used-tools-equipment.com.

StarTrekAngel

Because labor is always the most expensive and if you can find free qualified labor, you can always buy the machines.