The irony would have come if, having refused to spend time in a car with a worldly person, she would have been caught having sex in a car during FS with another brother.
StarTrekAngel
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One of those defining moments
by Chook in2 years ago i'm at po house for bbq, his wife tells me about her hectic drive to work for one hour.
i suggest car pooling from other women who work in same area, she goes on to explain that having to spend 1 hour each way with worldy women would affect her spirituality.
there it is in its finest definition of christian loyalty .
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[Generic evolution vs. creation thread]
by sir82 into save us all a lot of time and effort..... [some complex structure in living organisms described].
[i can't imagine how this could be the product of evolution].
[therefore god created it].
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StarTrekAngel
Evolution is difficult to accept if you imagine it being like this..
An animal transforming into another like it would in a fantasy movie.
Read a book on the subject itself. Do not read a book that is a scientific commentary or the opinions of a scientist.
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How do we know JWs are wrong and how do we convince others JWs are wrong: logic versus persuasion
by slimboyfat inwe like to think we are logical and have good reasons for for our beliefs.
no more so than when it comes to our reasons for rejecting the truth claims of jws.
we reject their version of history, such as the date of the fall of jerusalem, because it doesn't agree with the historical evidence.
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StarTrekAngel
I remember when John Kerry was running for president. He sealed his faith when he told a group of college students that it was good for them to get a degree... or else they would end up in Iraq. He had a huge backslash for that. Soldiers were posting pictures with misspelled signs as a sarcastic way of getting their responses across.
In my view, Kerry had the right thought, but communicating it was a whole other ball game. Won't want to start yet another branched discussion under this OP but the main point is that sometimes is difficult to communicate the right things to people and much more specially when the listener is not ready or willing to discuss something that in their mind is already set in stone. I am not genius at this either. It is certainly a form of art.
While I am going to stop far from affirming that this is cofty's case (I agree that no one know him better than himself), it is not illogical to think that the influences in our live's can be pervasive, yet subtle enough that we won't notice them. I heard of many stories of JW who wake up once they begin to read the bible without the influence of the WT. They were seeking truth in the bible. Therefore, it is to be implied that the individual first accepts bible as the truth and begins to question his body of belief under the influence of the bible. This is because we were led to believe that regardless of our religion, the bible is the fundamental truth that leads to faith. I believe that this is why you see so many cases of people who upon leaving the JW, either go back to their original religions or have an eventual second awakening where they stop believing altogether.
I think that the ultimate reason for leaving our faith (in this case the JW) can most likely be found on the traits of our current life. This is what, most likely, we were seeking all along. How we got there is a process and is hardly ever easy to say what may have influenced us to get there or to even begin the process. We may also discover, during that process, that what we think led us to today, it was just a spark that lit a much bigger fire.
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Latest Metal Detecting Find
by cofty innow the harvest is underway up north i can get out for a walk with the metal detector in the evening.
i am lucky to live on a historic rural estate and i have permission from the landowner to detect.. this is a coin that popped up last night.
it was only about 2 inches deep and had been tumbling around in the plough soil for the last 750 years.. it is a silver penny of king henry iii.
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StarTrekAngel
They say there is a lot of gold to be found in and/or around the Queen Isabella Causeway here in South Texas. But it is also known you can not keep what you found. Not worth the time.
My wife loves the metal detector I gave her for her B-day. We've only found pennies and beer can tabs. The biggest find so far, believe it or not, was a small bbq grill on buried on the beach (About 10 in in diameter)
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Are GB accountable for deaths for changing policy ?
by Chook inexample blood factions, organ transplants.
suicide from disfellowshipping , breaking up family's with old oral sex policy.
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To address your question directly, since we seemed to have misunderstood, my understanding from reading the bible, believe on it or not, is that for sure they will be accountable. Starting with blasphemy against the holy spirit, all the way thru false prophecy and ultimately disrespecting the ransom paid by Jesus by putting burdens on people that they themselves are not willing to take.
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Any Peugeot owners around here?
by Mandrake ini was wondering since there are a lot of uk users (at first i didn't notice that) if there is some peugeot owners here, clearly not from the us, the brand and also citroën has no presence in north america... in my city (santiago) you can see almost every car brand from chinese to european... in my apartment's parking lot there are toyotas, hondas, a porsche (that is abandoned, a carrera 911 turbo from 1989), even an old lancia, alfa romeo, nissan, renault, citroën, a camaro, suzuki, sköda, bmw, an old mecerdes, daewoos, kias, hyundais, an old vw beetle and a scirocco, few chinese, an audi, a dodge ram.
even a maserati in a house two blocks away etc etc.. and my 307 :)
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StarTrekAngel
We used to have a 404 that had some bad piston rings. It was diesel. To avoid wasting time, my dad used to jump a cable between the battery and the glow plugs. While the plugs heated up the combustion chambers, he would give the car a quick clean up. If the winter was specially cold, a shot of engine starter was required. We then moved a Renault 9, then a Peugeot 504. My mom eventually owned a 306 as well. My dad has a Jeep, which was then manufactured in the country by IKA. That thing has a 4 cylinder Mercedes Benz engine. Is a 60s model and still runs today.
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Are GB accountable for deaths for changing policy ?
by Chook inexample blood factions, organ transplants.
suicide from disfellowshipping , breaking up family's with old oral sex policy.
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StarTrekAngel
Most professionals believe the contrary. Hassan's clearly expresses in his book that the cult indoctrinated individual has not changed. He continues to be a loving, concerned individual who wants to do the best for himself and his family. What has been changed is the framework under which the decisions are made. Therefore, most of the responsibility seats on those who purposely manipulated the enviromment. This is not a black and white thing. The more indoctrinated you are, the less empowered you are to make "rational", decisions (I use quotes because from the view of the cult personalities, their decisions are more than rational)
In my view, to say that the individual is always ultimately responsible, is like saying no one would ever be unfit to stand trial in a court of law. People should be tried regardless. Most individuals who are unfit to stand trial are ultimately held responsible and may go to jail anyway. The difference is that in most of this cases, the jail is a means to prevent another crime, not a punishment or a means to re adapt them.
Indoctrination is a very powerful force. Look at advertising for an example. I have a sister in law, who after 10 years of not setting a foot in a KH, went to read jwfacts and her hands began to sweat. A cousin of my wife, also inactive for a long time, is taking on an alternative diet in order to increase her red blood cell count in preparation for a surgery that would normally require blood. She assures the world in facebook she needs to accomplish this "because of her belief"
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Are GB accountable for deaths for changing policy ?
by Chook inexample blood factions, organ transplants.
suicide from disfellowshipping , breaking up family's with old oral sex policy.
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I believe they are to a degree. Some other people are as well but I believe the lower you go into the layers of authority, the least responsible. At least from an ethical perspective. It is obvious that they have legally covered their butts pretty well.
You can not put full blame on the parents or the deceased him or herself when you are under this kind of influence and in regards to the consequences of non compliance. When you are convinced you are in the truth and you've are given two choices...
1- Give your child a blood transfusions, which is not guaranteed to save his life (or so you believe) and with the chances of getting all this horrible deceases
2- Insist on an alternative that may technically have less chances of success (but you believe otherwise) + you get to keep the family + you get your ticket to paradise.
Provided the above was true, the choice is clear. I still have a friend who believes getting a blood transfusion may give him the chronic conditions the other person may have and don't know it yet (like diabetes)
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Prince's Mansion to be turned into a Museum
by StarTrekAngel innews says it will open in october.
makes me wonder if they will include his life as a jw as part of the exhibit .
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News says it will open in October. Makes me wonder if they will include his life as a JW as part of the exhibit
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The Atheist Delusion
by looter inatheist delusion.
just want to know what the ex jw community thinks about this video and also offer my pov.
the video was actually an advertisement on here.
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