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  Assembly day - La Féria, tx stats

  by StarTrekAngel in

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  just quick post for stats.

  1300 attendance .

  4 baptism, 3 adults and 12 year old son of an elder from my cong.

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  StarTrekAngel

  Just quick post for stats.

  1300 attendance

  4 baptism, 3 adults and 12 year old son of an elder from my cong

  cost: $8500 with $1300 collected with an hour left to the end of the program.
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  Elders preparing for the GT?

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know this conversation has come up in other threads.

  it is just funny that last night i received this message on my phone.

  could this be elders feeling that they need to prepare and find a way to reach all brothers as quickly as possible in preparation for something?

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  I know this conversation has come up in other threads. It is just funny that last night I received this message on my phone. Could this be elders feeling that they need to prepare and find a way to reach all brothers as quickly as possible in preparation for something? I would not risk to say "I know so" but sure as hell this is new. Knowing the elders in my congo well, I wonder how many hoops has this poor soul had to jump in order to make sure he did not stumble his fellow elders. Most of them are anti technology.

  May be it is just that the CO visit is coming up and he may ask what steps have been taken to contact people en case of an emergency.

  

  Translation: This group was formed with the purpose of giving announcements about the congregation. Please do not answer the messages. They are just for your information.

  As you can see, people can not follow simple instructions. Later down the chat, he actually had to ask people to please quit responding.
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  Interfaith relations

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so as i recall from my years of bible studies and countless meetings, jws teach that jehovah does not accept interfaith relationships.

  the idea of sharing on a prayer for world peace with other religions, as i was told, was not acceptable in the eyes of jehovah.

  now i am not here to say that now they are sharing in the way above mentioned, but certainly it seems like the wt has no issues in sharing their propaganda along with other religions and under the "pretense" that they mingle with the other religions of babylon the great.

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  So as I recall from my years of bible studies and countless meetings, JWs teach that Jehovah does not accept interfaith relationships. The idea of sharing on a prayer for world peace with other religions, as I was told, was not acceptable in the eyes of Jehovah. Now I am not here to say that now they are sharing in the way above mentioned, but certainly it seems like the WT has no issues in sharing their propaganda along with other religions and under the "pretense" that they mingle with the other religions of Babylon the great

  I don't know if I missed some new light, since I am missing some meetings, but I found this compelling

  The following event is sponsored by UNESCO

  http://audir.org/lanitdelesreligionsbcn/
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  Major congregational quake in Southern California

  by Hecce in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this notice is not official yet and it should be confidential until released thru the proper channels.

  a friend of mine told me about a huge elders meeting in southern california.

  the subject was the relocation and dissolution of some congregations; it seems that this is the result of some project that has been going on for some time and is going to be implemented right now.. please let me know if this is happening all over the country?.

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  I just posted several documents regarding some KH survey that was conducted not too long ago. See link

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5631603365642240/kh-survey-forms-related-docs
  
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  KH Survey forms and related docs

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this was somewhat discussed in another thread but i figure i can start this one for those mostly interested on the docs.

  most interesting to me what the name of shawn schafer at the end of one of the letters.

  (wonder if he is related to david schaffer).

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  This was somewhat discussed in another thread but I figure I can start this one for those mostly interested on the docs. Most interesting to me what the name of Shawn Schafer at the end of one of the letters. (Wonder if he is related to David Schaffer). Another somewhat relevant piece is in the FAQ, where it states that 95.5% of all KH in the US branch territory are titled to the local congregation.

  Also, the sample survey form has been edited to cover up private information but I know the area. That particular form was for a congregation for a very small town in Texas. It is kind of difficult for me to comprehend how they would need a new KH and who they are going to sell the old one to.

  https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B6b33RjKq_HFTTZwMi1tXzdQOGs?usp=sharing
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  Mubariz Gurbanli meets with chairman of European Association of Jehovah's Christian Witnesses

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://en.apa.az/azerbaijan_religion_news/mubariz-gurbanli-meets-with-chairman-of-european-association-of-jehovah-s-christian-witnesses.html.

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  http://en.apa.az/azerbaijan_religion_news/mubariz-gurbanli-meets-with-chairman-of-european-association-of-jehovah-s-christian-witnesses.html
  
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  abc.net.au/news article: Child-sexual-abuse-royal-commission-refers-1659-cases-to-police

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-12/child-sexual-abuse-royal-commission-refers-1659-cases-to-police/7834972.

  child abuse royal commission: police 'under pressure' after 1,659 cases flagged for investigation.

  by brad ryan.

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  uuuuhh yeah!
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  WT “Study” for 11th Sept 2016 – “Why Must We ‘Keep on the Watch’”?

  by Nicholaus Kopernicus in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was really puzzled when i opened this edition of the wt magazine at the above “study”.

  what on earth has this picture at the top of page 13 got to do with christian watchfulness?

  i wasn’t making a connection at all.

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  I did not want to believe that they would make emphasis on anything other than what the magazine was about. But our elder decide to make an injunction at the end of the meeting to remind us all what we had learned in the past. He asked us to remember prior studies were we were told that the vital instruction required to survive the end would come thru the congregation and we need to be ready to obey even if we don't understand the instruction.
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  If anyone claimed that god speaks to them personally.....

  by jambon1 in

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  they'd be viewed as completely mentally ill and laughed at.. so, how do the governing body get away with it?.

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  StarTrekAngel

  I remember hearing in a meeting (can't remember if it was a public talk or WT study) that the clarification for elders is that the holy spirit is not selecting them directly as one would imagine. Rather, an elder appointed following scriptural direction of 1 Timothy chapter 3, is considered "spirit selected" because the text itself was inspired.

  I swear I am not messing with you. I was fully awake when this talk or study happened and I was paying close attention :)
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  Origin of Life

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?

  as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.

  there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.

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  Modern religion (or modern theism in general) is not based in logic. Science is. Therefore the two will never find a way to prove each other right or wrong. It is just impossible. Unfortunately it doesn't end there. For many of us here would conclude that having logical thinking is they way to go (and I agree) but we can not expect to ever reach a point where this disagreement will ever be settled. Personally I feel this is where religion looses its ground. Not on the fact that religion may always have another reason to believe, despite the mounting scientific evidence to the contrary, but rather on how religion has been redefined since the last scriptures were written down. The characters of the bible where always basing their belief in evidence. Miracles, unlikely military victories, etc. Although I don't believe that the two will ever be 100% compatible or agreeable, the religion of that time may have had a lot more in common with the scientific method of today.

  
  

  In case you have not seen this movie (Nacho Libre), this isn't just a meme, it is a real line from the movie.

  With that said, we always run the risk of simply falling under the religious mentality. That is that you know better because you have your Almighty God in your side, whom knows everything and is capable of anything. Religion defined as worshipping of a deity is the default understanding of it. The reality is that we can make a religion out of anything. If the WT every said anything correctly is that patriotism for example, can be a form of religion. No, I do not advocate for not saluting your flag or any of that. But in the fervor of national pride we loose sight of the real purpose of why we classify ourselves under a book of laws, national name or flag or anthem. This is to care for one another and provide a level of equality and governance. We eventually turn patriotic fervor to the point where it becomes just as unreasonable as modern religion. We make the constitution our bible and we attach ourselves to it and listen to no reasoning and all our very own selfish purposes. One has to simply look at the battle over the second amendment in the US to see a clear example. Regardless on which side of this debate you seat, it is not difficult to see that some are too quick to resort to the constitution as an irrevocable basis for their stand. Any non believer would probably agree that even if the bible has some good advice, it was written thousands of years ago and therefore outdated to modern life. Yet, a book that was written a bit over 200 years ago, in an age where no one could have imagined what a modern weapon could do, seems to hold up to modern times and therefore worthy of outmost consideration.

  The key in all of this, in my view, is wether we are making our life outlook or belief into a religion worth fighting for and worth proven ourselves right rather than imagining how our life outlook can help our fellow man without causing any further harm. Science has a leg up on this for sure and by far. At least in modern times.