Posts by StarTrekAngel

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Witnesses really hate it when you appear to leave.

by schnell in

i have a certain customer, whom we will call sally.

i know sally only by face and only through work.

i am a truck driver on a local dedicated route, and i often deliver to her work.

StarTrekAngel

It's a free country, you're free to leave a religion, and their own website CLAIMS that people can leave at any time.
I mean, it's not a cult, now, is it?

Anything a cult puts in claim, like the one you mentioned above is to be taken in context with the belief. Is like the following statement coming from an alcoholic...

"I won't drink anymore.... or any less, just the same"

In the case of the cults, the second part of the phrases are always omitted. The statement is not untruthful, is just incomplete. This way, outsiders and insiders can read it and accept it as truth but interpret it their own ways and both can be happy with what they read. Here is what I believe to be a few other incomplete assertions from the WT. Many of which, I believe, are grossly ignored or remain unmentioned, even by strong opposers of this cult. The part between parenthesis are the parts that are left out to interpretation or belief.

- Abuse victims have a right to go to the authorities (but we have a right to DF you for doing so if you have no second witness)

- Blood, beards, attire, entertainment choices are a matter of consciousness (The GB consciousness that is)

- WT never claimed that non-JW will be killed during Armageddon (we just stated that they still have a chance to become one. No one has to die over this, if they do what we say)

- We don't make collections! (That's right! we don't pass a contribution plate, we make YOU go to the plate, the one towards the entrance of the KH. That is the way to show submission! Bringing the plate to you would be spoiling you!)

- We definitely do charitable work! (but we are firm believers that charity starts at home!)

add your own...

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What's preventing YOU from stopping meeting attendance?

by nicolaou in

we all 'exit' in our own way and at our own pace but i'm curious, why carry on stuffing yourself into that stiff suit and tie or meeting dress years after you realised the truth about 'the truth'?.

they kept you a prisoner, what's stopping you from leaving now that you have the key to your own cell?.

loved ones?

StarTrekAngel

Family. Wife is mostly awake but does not want to risk the idea that her mom or brother may no longer want to talk to her. As it is, her brother does not really see us much and we don't see them much.

Her sister have stopped attending a long time ago. However, since they live out of town, my brother in law can pretend that he does not know what they are up to. So convenient, isn't it. But if my wife stopped attending, it would be seen by everyone in the congo. Sometimes I wish I could move.

Teaching the truth? What truth? The only "truth" I would risk believing out of a JW meeting is the attendance count for the day.

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JW.org website and Matt 6:1-4

by NikL in

jw
friends

saw the news story on jw.org this morning about all the help they are sending to congo after flooding there.

yay for them!

oh wait!.

StarTrekAngel

The WT never does anything for free. Chances are that there is some sort of program or later benefit they would get from doing this. Kind of like when they were in with the UN, they may have to advertise their actions in order to get later recognition whenever they request their kickback.

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Finally, after almost 3 years, they want to visit with me

by StarTrekAngel in

so i ended up going to the meeting yesterday.

i have been absent for almost 2 months.

my wife was also absent as long but mostly out of chance.

StarTrekAngel

Well they did come after all. Funny that regardless of how much they promised to respect our privacy, I guess the message was not really that clear.

Let me backtrack a little since I definitely agree with the sentiment in your responses. I was expecting them to come for more than just a hangout. We still opened the door to their visit as I mentioned. They ended up confirming and we prepared a meal. Got some wine to help me stay relaxed and not scream my head off. Like I said, they are indeed very nice people and I really expected them to make good of their word.

And they did....... to a degree.

When they arrived, I went to get the door and as soon as I walked in, I noticed he was carrying his ipad. Not a good sign, I thought but may be, just may be, he had to take it away from his children so that they may socialize a bit instead of putting their heads down into the tablet. We had a nice meal and pleasant conversation regarding just family trips and experiences with kids (The funny type). Once we had dessert and the conversation was toning down he asked me if it was ok for him to play some videos with experiences of brothers. I said that was ok.

He played three videos of handicapped JW or people with terminal illnesses that were preaching happily despite their obstacles. So basically the message for me is that I have some sort of condition that seems to cripple me in my activities. I am not sure what to make of it but that is fine. What actually played well for me is that the very same morning, my wife and I had a very pleasant discussion on the shortcoming of the WT as a charity and how deceitful their interpretations of "works of mercy" was. Just the last Sunday it was said that works of mercy meant preparing for and attending meetings. Funny enough, one of the videos they showed us was the one about Phelicity Sneesby. The young JW that died due to a heart condition but had to be flown back to Australia in her last days. The WT used her for propaganda but did not put a penny towards the trip back home. Today I sent her the link so that she could see. Seeing that video was certainly a great leeway to continue showing my wife just how deceitful and evil this organization is. So, a very positive visit if you ask me.

Once they left, my wife was like "Well that went better than I expected". I guess she did expect them to dig for information and they did not.

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Scriptures rarely mentioned

by dothemath in

a couple of examples of scriptures hardly ever quoted is 1 tim.

2:12- "i do not permit a woman to teach, or to exercise authority over a man, but to be in silence".

or verse 11- "let a woman learn in silence with full submissiveness.".

StarTrekAngel

Deuteronomy 17:8 - A caveat to the two witness rule.

If a case arises in one of your cities that is too difficult for you to judge, whether it is a case involving bloodshed+ or a legal claim that has been raised or a violent deed that has been committed or other matters of dispute, you should rise up and go to the place that Jehovah your God chooses.+ 9 Go to the Levitical priests and to the judge+ serving in those days, and make your inquiry, and they will hand down the decision to you

Criminal cases do not mention second witnesses as the absolute and only means of establishing matters. Provided we also understand that Israel was a sovereign nation back then and therefore their "priests" or judges were the oficial judicial authorities of the time. Such is not the case anymore and was not the case when the Jews where in captivity. Roman authorities were consulted when they could not solve crimes. The same should be done today.

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SPAIN: Crónica Global - Jehovah's Witnesses order cases of abuse of children internally - In Spanish & English - Google Translated

by AndersonsInfo in

http://cronicaglobal.elespanol.com/vida/testigos-jehova-ordenan-resolver-abusos-internamente_66270_102.html .

crónica global .

los testigos de jehová ordenan resolver los casos de abusos a niños internamente.

StarTrekAngel

The question that remains to be answered is... when do they report? As soon as an allegation is made or only after is has been confirmed by a second witness?

Lets not get caught up in their game of words.

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Giving money is thrilling?

by punkofnice in

watchtower study edition nov 16 pg 19. classic............................ .

StarTrekAngel

It is certainly used in a discreet manner..... no one knows how it is used..

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Giving money is thrilling?

by punkofnice in

watchtower study edition nov 16 pg 19. classic............................ .

StarTrekAngel

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Finally, after almost 3 years, they want to visit with me

by StarTrekAngel in

so i ended up going to the meeting yesterday.

i have been absent for almost 2 months.

my wife was also absent as long but mostly out of chance.

StarTrekAngel

Here is the message I sent him today.

R......

Sorry for not replying sooner. I've been thinking about it. I want you to know that you and your family won a place in our heart long ago. You are welcome in my home whenever you please. With that said, I understand you also have a responsibility to Jehovah and that you are probably worried about us. This have been trying times for us. As I mentioned before, I had some things come up at work that have affected my health. Physically as much as emotionally. The irony is that now things at work have taken a turn but like if it was a joke now all the expectations are put on me. There is a high demand for my department to perform and all eyes are on me which has become almost a traumatic experience. Everyone is taking it upon themselves to point me where they think I should go and I am finding myself unable to handle so much responsibility from every angle. The fact that I am always under someone's finger trying to tell me how I should run the office. What does this have to do with Jehovah?

If you put an egg between your hands and you pressure until it breaks, which hand would you blame for the mess? The left or the right? Physics shows us that pressure will distribute equally among each hand and there is no way to avoid this. Is a natural law. My case is very similar. I am at the edge of my patience and my wife and I needed some time to heal. Otherwise, I ran a chance of loosing it during the meeting and disrespect someone unwillingly

With this I am not saying I forgot Jehovah completely. I have prayed a lot and he has directed me thru the bible quit a bit. I still read and study, even more than before. Him and I only know how this situation goes that is why I believe he understood I needed some time to meditate, which was the healthy thing to do. I hope this is the start of a new chapter in our life. As I said, you are welcome in my home anytime but I don't feel in a mental state to discuss this subjects. Thank you

HIS REPLY

Thank you for your sincerity brother S....... and for the appreaciation. I want you to know we have you in our thoughts and prayers. Always remember what 1 Cor 10:13 says. Jehovah would never test you beyond what you can handle. We'll do our best to be there Friday and we will respect your privacy

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Finally, after almost 3 years, they want to visit with me

by StarTrekAngel in

so i ended up going to the meeting yesterday.

i have been absent for almost 2 months.

my wife was also absent as long but mostly out of chance.

StarTrekAngel

YEah... I guess she meant to say we were not expected to roll out the red carpet. Just a chat. I guess you could say you would like for a good friend to pay you a visit when you are sick and that is the way they see it. Either way we are not falling for it.