Even the most committed witness, provided you are not a seasoned elder that has seen it all, would tell you that DFing is carried out to weed out the rotten apples. Those who commit fornication and such. By the time they become aware that it goes beyond that and that people get DFed for petty things, they indoctrination runs so deep that you can not talk against it.
StarTrekAngel
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At what point were you taught about disfellowshipping? What page in the current study book is it covered?
by jambon1 ineven thinking about born-ins here.
at what stage of your 'bible teaching' were you taught about the practice of disfellowshipping?.
reading john cedars book and the section about when the more crazy shit gets introduced to you is very telling.
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Who can explain why the "Two Witness" rule is wrong, in the simplest term?
by DATA-DOG inwith all the legalese being tossed around, and the expert manipulation on the part of the wtbts, who can explain why the "two witness" is being perverted by the wtbts?
i don't care if you're a bible believer and want to approach this from a biblical standpoint, or if you simply use logic and reason.
how would you explain this subject to a j-dub, or even a non-dub?.
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StarTrekAngel
Read Deut 17:8-9. I believe it clearly states that in cases of assault you can just go around looking for a second witness and you should rely on judge. Sure, Israel was a theocratic nation but I believe the principle is clear. Two witness rule was for mundane issues like who stole your cow.
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QCS Telecom signs up with Allied Fiber
by StarTrekAngel ini don't recall seeing this come up after the document regarding qcs telecom.. leasing 288 miles of dark fiber is not cheap.
in fact, it borders in the crazy.. http://www.alliedfiber.com/news/press-releases/qcstelecom-signs-20-year-lease-agreement-with-allied-fiber/.
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StarTrekAngel
Yes
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Have you been featured in a Watchtower publication or on jw.org?
by George One Time inmaybe you were considered a good example or a picture was needed.. can you give some background of the procedure?
how about the vetting?
if you cannot give away your identity, that is fine.
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StarTrekAngel
I good well know elder from my spanish cong had his daughter featured in a study edition of the WT couple of years ago. Everyone was elated. She had married and moved to Bethel. She was shown in a picture dressed as a bible character. Can't remember who. Fast forward to today, her dad elder had to move closer to her because apparently she can't stop sleeping around.
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QCS Telecom signs up with Allied Fiber
by StarTrekAngel ini don't recall seeing this come up after the document regarding qcs telecom.. leasing 288 miles of dark fiber is not cheap.
in fact, it borders in the crazy.. http://www.alliedfiber.com/news/press-releases/qcstelecom-signs-20-year-lease-agreement-with-allied-fiber/.
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StarTrekAngel
The WT sole existence is a conspiracy on itself. LOL
It isn't far fetched or impossible. Everyone know every cult out there is losing the battle against the internet. I know the company I work for will dive right in if the WT showed up and promised an almost guaranteed influx of customers (most of the witnesses in our service area) with the simple condition that we would carve a VLAN to direct the traffic to their own network. We would do it for the same price as any other customer. The sole idea of getting all this customers sent our way would be more than enough for our executives to accept the deal
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QCS Telecom signs up with Allied Fiber
by StarTrekAngel ini don't recall seeing this come up after the document regarding qcs telecom.. leasing 288 miles of dark fiber is not cheap.
in fact, it borders in the crazy.. http://www.alliedfiber.com/news/press-releases/qcstelecom-signs-20-year-lease-agreement-with-allied-fiber/.
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StarTrekAngel
One more indication that the future of this cult is digital and getting closer to becoming a closed up network. Although this is speculation, they know deep inside that they can dream and if the can do so they can also make it happen. With wireless becoming so cheap and much more reliable, I can see how easy it would be for them to begin creating their own holy network. Off course, it would take time.
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QCS Telecom signs up with Allied Fiber
by StarTrekAngel ini don't recall seeing this come up after the document regarding qcs telecom.. leasing 288 miles of dark fiber is not cheap.
in fact, it borders in the crazy.. http://www.alliedfiber.com/news/press-releases/qcstelecom-signs-20-year-lease-agreement-with-allied-fiber/.
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StarTrekAngel
I don't recall seeing this come up after the document regarding QCS Telecom.
Leasing 288 miles of dark fiber is not cheap. In fact, it borders in the crazy.
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Best statement a householder made to get you to leave them alone.
by Esse quam videri inknocked on a door on a saturday morning.
a window opened on the floor above me.
a grizzled old man stuck his head out and said, " we're all heathens here!
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StarTrekAngel
Shortly after 9/11 while on FS. We tried to approach an old man that was working in is garden. His answer was (In Spanish) "There is lots of good people here, I am not sure what you are doing preaching here. Go over to Afghanistan where those bad people came from. They need to know about God, not us. Go away!"
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Does the Watchtower Bible Society own stocks. Nad are those stock related to military business?
by CitizenofEarth inhello.. i am a young 18 year old danish guy, who is a baptized jw.
since one year ago i have been maturing gradually and asking questions about many things, not only about jw stuff(which has caused some problems.
but nothing i couldnt handle with a bit of social skill).
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StarTrekAngel
Stan,
When non-profits offers you the option to donate by means of gift annuities, they need to find ways to offset or hedge for potential pitfalls in their pool of investments. I am not justifying them. I disagree with the stock buying as well but it comes to show you they operate like a business first and as a religion second.
As far as military stock or investments, the documents from the SEC show very clearly that the Watchtower owned anywhere from 40 to 52% of Regi/Randcam. While many have argued that the Watchtower did not directly managed these investments, the truth is that they are ripping the benefits and at the same time, they can not claim ignorance of the matter. I am sure financial regulations demand that the WT corporation be informed of the financial conditions of their investments and the IRS demands they report on the performance of it.
The same happens with the Rilley fund. While the Watchtower is only the beneficiary of the fund, the information in their own magazines state that this type of donation of stock are conditioned to the WT becoming owners of the fund upon the passing of its original donor. The Rilley fund BELONGS to the watchtower. Whether they intervene on the daily decisions of it I am not sure but it is of little relevance. Once again they are obligated to be in the know regarding the investments made. Because they are the owner they also have the power to direct Comerica Bank if they feel their money is miss used (like invested on defense companies). Several of the tax disclosures regarding this fund show that there are quite a few questionable investments. Raytheon, Lockeed, Boeing. Even some movie studios which produce questionable films (films they actually warn their members about).
As everything in life, with the exception of the speed of light and truth, everything is relative. The major disjunction in all of these may go beyond the moral. You could argue that it is unethical for any religion to invest in defense stock (in fact they teach as much) you could also put in perspective. What do they demand from their members? I think most of us here would agree that they would scold you if you dare to even stare towards one of this corporations as you pass by their offices. Ray Franz describes in his book the story of a brother who had to quit his job because part of it involved delivering food to a military base. There are many stories like it.
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Will there ever be an accounting for religious leaders that go beyond what's written?
by Chook inall including wt prophets may be surprised.
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StarTrekAngel
Yes. That is a consensus among most witnesses, at least in my area. They will have to tell Jehovah and he will judge.
{/end of sarcasm/]
But really, cults love people who can self justify their suffering this way.