jehovah reminds me of married couples who are having problems who decide to .
have children to improve their lot.. obviuosly jehovah can prevent pregnancy.. 1 samuel 1:5,6 .
but to hannah he gave a double portion because he loved her, .
That is exactly right. He let her be... unlike the watchtower, he would not just get rid of sinners and bad apples. He let them flourish. That is the opposite of what we get. We are not allowed to challenge them. They are afraid we are going to make sense.
So if God... if you believe in it, allowed the wicked world to flourish and ruin everything... who is the GB to quash those who choose to leave?
ok, there's been tons on this i know.
here's what i found and spent some time researching some of the companies.
in my search i found in 2014 boeing, lockheed martin & northrop grumman which supports the military.
Kramer.. if you read Franz book, there is a story there about a brother whom was forced to quit his driver job because part of his route included making deliveries to a military base
JefT... that the WT does not manage the fund directly doesn't mean they do not know what is in it.... again... what would they say if it was you at the receiving end of that account?
ok, there's been tons on this i know.
here's what i found and spent some time researching some of the companies.
in my search i found in 2014 boeing, lockheed martin & northrop grumman which supports the military.
I totally disagree with this being a weak argument in the apostate arsenal. For starters, most elders or JWs don't really understand the forces at play so they could hardly argue back. With that said and in the interest of staying on the honest side, I believe the argument over this is not so much about who owns the fund, but rather the argument is over what would happen to you if you were the owner of that fund. If you were making good money out of it and it showed, someone would have questioned your faith over the portfolio of organizations that are included.
If you can be scolded over delivering sodas to a military based, then sure as hell the WT can be questioned over this even if they only get the crumbs that fall from the table. This BS of the "fund owns itself" is the actual weak argument. I am sure the WT is well aware of what is in it but choose to look the other way because they are covered by a legal grey area.
To conclude, I remember some guy on youtube who clarified that the conditions from the WT for donated trusts, is that the WT would own the asset after the passing of the donor. Now I understand the financial world can be complicated to summarize in one post but I will forever refer back to my previous statement... if you can get scolded for delivering sodas to a military base.....
good morning, .
i am just wondering how you have constructively worked through the emotions of waking up?
i am trying hard to be positive, and i know life is a gift.
In my experience, reading about what others are going thru is real good therapy. Off course, every situation is different. I tried for years to wake up my wife and it was one of the hardest and most draining things I've ever done. Especially if your significant other is not opening up about their real fears, which in turn will have you attacking the wrong enemy.
Ultimately what worked for me was finding a group of other ex-JWs you can meet with. In my case they were all ex's from the same congregation. Being able to talk about it with them made it all more tolerable. Just like you, I had a sort of PTSD moment every time I heard my mother in law speaks of the meetings or assemblies. Meeting with the other group of evil apostates helped me vent out.
Ultimately my wife grew too curious of what we would talk about when we met. It was frustrating at first to notice that she was more receptive to the gossip I brought back from my get togethers than the stuff I wanted to talk to her about the org. But eventually I noticed that it worked so I was happy to have found a way to get these topics discussed without a fight. I guess since she knew this people more than I did, it helped validate their experiences.
as you all may recall, i made it public a few months back that i was moving away from my former neighboorhood.
well, we moved into our new place during the christmas/new year week, and it has been an awesome decision.
more on that later.naturally, after having hauled all our "material possessions" to our new place, we embarked on the process of giving our old home a touch of paint, etc.
As you all may recall, I made it public a few months back that I was moving away from my former neighboorhood. Well, we moved into our new place during the Christmas/New Year week, and it has been an awesome decision. More on that later.
Naturally, after having hauled all our "material possessions" to our new place, we embarked on the process of giving our old home a touch of paint, etc. Getting it ready for listing. I am not sure how long I can hold on to two mortgages but the relief of being away from that place out weights the rest. This weekend was no exception. We spent most of Sunday cleaning and painting, and it was also an excellent opportunity to pick up my mother-in-law, whom despite living with us at our new place, insists on spending the weekends back with her congregation. We drop her off on Fridays and pick her up on Sundays. During the week she technically misses that meeting. I say "technically" because she does not go to the nearby KH. Instead of calling in to listen to the meeting, she puts on a dress, reads the information and even sings out loud in her room. Although I am inactive or spiritually weak, I am a baptized male, and she should be wearing something on her head... LOL. I won't hold her to it. Small price to pay :/
Going back to the work I am doing at my former home, my wife talked me out of doing some of the work myself and decided to hire someone. Mostly the outside paint. I was, however, cleaning out my shed when I realized it needed to be finished. It too needed paint on the still barewood frame. I took out my phone and wrote it down in the to-do for hire list. Then in a sudden flash I also changed my mind.
It was back in February of 2016 when I first started painting it. I had done a good 80% of it before that day. I was a fairly warm day but not bad in terms of what summers are like in South Texas. I had this uncomfortable dizziness most of the day, and I was blaming the warmth although I knew I had been in worse before. All was fine until I had to step on a ladder. The dizziness suddenly became more than a nuisance. Mind you I have been an installation technician for a good part of my career, and I've also climbed telecom towers up to 500 ft. Getting on a ladder 3 ft off the ground should not have been an issue. As a tech, I have climbed countless rooftops looking for towers and sometimes did so with one hand while holding heavy equipment on the other hand on 26ft ladders, sometimes fully extended.
All that to say that I was shocked at the way I was feeling and I got terrified. I ended up in the ER that night because the dizziness got worst and would not go away. My BP was 180/100. The ER Dr assumed he had just discovered a case of chronic high BP and gave me a pill that I now know could have killed me. It was fine the first night, but this was a weekend, and he directed me to take the same pill until I saw my Dr on Monday. I woke up the next night like at 4 am, shaking uncontrollably. Turns out I was overdosing on BP meds and dropping my BP to the ground. In an effort to not repeat things I had described before, this was the beginning of a long series of health issues that were not real. Although it felt very real, it was all brought by chronic stress and anxiety. Don't need to explain it here. Many of us have been there before.
Long story short, I stood there looking at my shed and thinking... this is one honey-do that I did not finish thanks to the Watchtower. That wasn't the only thing that got suspended due to the motions of going thru the process of coming out to the family about my awakening, but it sure was the first one. After all the hell I went thru and all the feelings and anxiety, fearing for my life and my future, what better way to begin closing that chapter of my life than finishing the shed. I scratched off the list and went at it myself.
When I finished, I took a step back and meditated for a second. Took a picture and decided I was going to share it here.
as you all may recall, i made it public a few months back that i was moving away from my former neighboorhood.
well, we moved into our new place during the christmas/new year week, and it has been an awesome decision.
more on that later.naturally, after having hauled all our "material possessions" to our new place, we embarked on the process of giving our old home a touch of paint, etc.
As you all may recall, I made it public a few months back that I was moving away from my former neighboorhood. Well, we moved into our new place during the Christmas/New Year week, and it has been an awesome decision. More on that later.
Naturally, after having hauled all our "material possessions" to our new place, we embarked on the process of giving our old home a touch of paint, etc. Getting it ready for listing. I am not sure how long I can hold on to two mortgages but the relief of being away from that place out weights the rest. This weekend was no exception. We spent most of Sunday cleaning and painting, and it was also an excellent opportunity to pick up my mother-in-law, whom despite living with us at our new place, insists on spending the weekends back with her congregation. We drop her off on Fridays and pick her up on Sundays. During the week she technically misses that meeting. I say "technically" because she does not go to the nearby KH. Instead of calling in to listen to the meeting, she puts on a dress, reads the information and even sings out loud in her room. Although I am inactive or spiritually weak, I am a baptized male, and she should be wearing something on her head... LOL. I won't hold her to it. Small price to pay :/
Going back to the work I am doing at my former home, my wife talked me out of doing some of the work myself and decided to hire someone. Mostly the outside paint. I was, however, cleaning out my shed when I realized it needed to be finished. It too needed paint on the still barewood frame. I took out my phone and wrote it down in the to-do for hire list. Then in a sudden flash I also changed my mind.
It was back in February of 2016 when I first started painting it. I had done a good 80% of it the week before. It was a fairly warm day but not bad in terms of what summers are like in South Texas. I had this uncomfortable dizziness most of the time, and I was blaming the warmth although I knew I had been in worse before. All was fine until I had to step on a ladder. The dizziness suddenly became more than a nuisance. Mind you I have been an installation technician for a good part of my career, and I've also climbed telecom towers up to 500 ft. Getting on a ladder 3 ft off the ground should not have been an issue. As a tech, I have climbed countless rooftops looking for towers and sometimes did so with one hand while holding heavy equipment on the other hand on 26ft ladders, sometimes fully extended.
All that to say that I was shocked at the way I was feeling and I got terrified. I ended up in the ER that night because the dizziness got worst and would not go away. My BP was 180/100. The ER Dr assumed he had just discovered a case of chronic high BP and gave me a pill that I now know could have killed me. It was fine the first night, but this was a weekend, and he directed me to take the same pill until I saw my Dr on Monday. I woke up the next night like at 4 am, shaking uncontrollably. Turns out I was overdosing on BP meds and dropping my BP to the ground. In an effort to not repeat things I had described before, this was the beginning of a long series of health issues that were not real. Although it felt very real, it was all brought by chronic stress and anxiety. Don't need to explain it here. Many of us have been there before.
Long story short, I stood there looking at my shed and thinking... this is one honey-do that I did not finish thanks to the Watchtower. That wasn't the only thing that got suspended due to the motions of going thru the process of coming out to the family about my awakening, but it sure was the first one. After all the hell I went thru and all the feelings and anxiety, fearing for my life and my future, what better way to begin closing that chapter of my life than finishing the shed. I scratched off the list and went at it myself.
When I finished, I took a step back and meditated for a second.
I believe that for me this seals it. I can't guarantee that these dark years will not happen ever again. Whether it is the same issue or a new one but at some point, you have to wrap it up like you would old bills for a service you no longer use. You archive them away and keep the notes of what you have learned.
I now live in a brand new, beautiful master planned subdivision with lakes, trails, and parks. I am closer to work and to everything that I need for daily living. I got yet another promotion, and quite a few of other toxic people at work are gone or retired. My kids can now mingle with other kids at the park and not have JW only friends. My wife and I are as happy as ever, and we have not attended a meeting in the years since.
I hereby declared that chapter of my life closed. May the new one be all that it appears to be for a long, long time.
i have not been around much or even cared to dig into jw land.
i been working on moving to a new place and leaving behind my old jw past, even the neighborhood where it all happened.. but something i heard this weekend had me thinking.
my mother in law has a small, run down wooden home near the kh where we used to attend.
I have not been around much or even cared to dig into JW land. I been working on moving to a new place and leaving behind my old JW past, even the neighborhood where it all happened.
But something I heard this weekend had me thinking. My mother in law has a small, run down wooden home near the KH where we used to attend. She gave it away to her son and he told her that he was going to offer it up for the RBC since there will be a KH remodel/repair in the area in the near future. This way they could choose to house volunteers from other states or areas. This weekend she told us that he was told that starting (I don't know exactly when) the RBC requires that the residence being offered up be equipped to be "comfortable" for the visiting volunteer. This included (as a demand) that the bed be fitted with brand new sheets and towels, etc.
I thought that may be she misinterpreted whatever was said but she also added that a number of other sisters whom had rooms to spare in better looking homes, had to step back because they felt their places were not up to the new standard. She also added that now the RBC requires JWs to donate the food that will be served to the volunteers. Last time I participated on a remodeling there was a trailer home with a huge kitchen and I don't recall anyone having to donate food
Has anyone heard about this?
i remember when my faith left me.
i used to enjoy meetings and used to participate but then all of a sudden i was finding myself bored shitless at meetings.
i was taken off the theocratic ministry school for not attending when i was due to give a talk and not long after did something naughty and got disfellowshiped.
We all must be ready to obey.... whether it makes sense or not...
Those famous words... I was there on Sunday WT study when they were first uttered from the platform...
As hard as I think and considering I was already having doubts (Serious doubts) by then.... I can't think of any other single statement or event that had as profound of an effect as this did... Is like I saw my life flash before my eyes in this huge aha! moment. This must have been the only time as a JW where I truly had a "deer in the headlights" look (while life was flashing in front of me)...
banks create money “out of thin air.”empirical studies have been undertaken to prove this thesis and this is the conclusion:.
in the 5,000 year history of banking, banks have been thought of as “deposit taking institutions which lend money”.. 1. what is the legal reality?
banks don’t take deposits and don’t lend money.the public is under this false impression on purpose because the language of banks is not legal language.. so--what is a “deposit”?a deposit is not actually a deposit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nBPN-MKefA
I think there is mostly a misinterpretation of the concept. Banks do print money money out of thin air, just not all the time. However, that's not to say your local branch or even the entire corporation is doing so. They don't have the power to just add it there. Banks means just that, the banking system on itself does it, not a particular bank whom may be borrowing money from each other.
The simple side of it is that you can't make things out of nothing. You don't grow a crop without seeds just like you can't have money without something. That something used to be gold or other tangible goods.
Someone please show me what that is now and I will believe money doesn't get generated out of thin air.
Everything in the financial world is binary. you can't buy bitcoin if you don't sell your dollars. True, inflation is not only a consequence of increased money supply. It can also come from devaluation. But both play a role. Just like I said, it's a balance between two things. Just like a dollar can devaluate not because of the American economy itself but because may be other economies are changing.
Supply and Demand.... repeat that to yourself. Supply and Demand is the ultimate regulator of markets. Money is no different. The balance between the money supply (the printing of money) and money demand (which can be trigger by devaluation among other things) can cause inflation to fluctuate. That is the reason the federal reserve banks of every country try to reign in the balance of both by doing things like regulating interest rates.
By the way... making money out of thing air does not necessarily equal money the bank can pocket as profit. It means they can loan money they don't have and basically put it out on the street by means of the borrower.
alright, so what is the deal with the thousands coming to the states right at election time seeking asylum?
i'm not up on this, usually try not to be, but how can this not be manipulative?
it's either manipulative in the size of the group and pressure that creates, or in where it started or who started this, etc.
Yes. You are correct. That is exactly my point. That is why I said I would gladly pay more for those products if it came down to it and it was done by legal workers at the right wages. It was exactly my point that the greedy corporations still prefer illegals to work for lower wages. That is partly the reason there is no effort to legalize them and a major reason as to why they keep on coming no matter how many obstacles you throw at them.
When I said that they are not a social burden, I meant by claiming benefits. The cost of detaining them counts but not from the perspective most people look at it. Most people that are angry at illegal immigrants claim that they come here to take their jobs and claim benefits and that is what i am referring to. Hardly anyone will tell you they want to stop illegal immigrants because it is too costly to detain them.
The jobs are not taken in the way of stealing from you. They are given to the lowest bidder and that is what voters should concentrate on. Cut the ability for companies to hire illegal workers and the illegals will stop coming. No wall or detention facilities would be required and money will be saved. Yet the rhetoric from certain political parties is that they are your enemy
I certainly don't want bad people crossing the border. Like I said, they've been in my backyard. I don't propose open borders as a solution. That is another rhetoric used in the political ads. We are never going to arrive to a proper solution if we keep breaking apart the issue and not considering it as a whole.
