Posts by 4thgen

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Any Educated Guesses...........??

by sparky1 in

a friend of mine is trying the 'slow fade' like i did.

he is a third generation witness and comes from a prominent family in his circuit.

his uncle stepped down as an elder because he had doubts and could not serve anymore (although for now he remains a witness in good standing).

4thgen

i Sparky, I was going to be a smart A and make a crack about which overlapping generation, but thought better of it. :)

The GB certainly has time on their side. Where are those who saw 1914? 1925? 1935? DEAD. DEAD. Almost DEAD. When they refer back to those who left due to organizational changes, they term it a 'sifting work' or those were 'weak in faith'. Maybe years from now, IF they own up to the falling publisher numbers, they will call us weak as well. But, WHO CARES?????? We know TTATT and can live our lives now in peace and freedom from tyrants.

As for the comment about taking it up with the 'driver of the chariot', well apparently the driver doesn't know where in the world he is going! We had clear directions for years, but when things didn't come true, they took a 180 turn around. From the internet from being evil to God's channel. Jesh!

As for those of us that are pre 1975, since we took to the council to keep our lives simple, no college, IE no real money now to retire...we are not looked upon as having any authority. It's all about power and money now. The aged are not looked at as powerful, and we certainly don't have much money. We will (or are) looked on as 'old school' or has-beens. the term: "Old Fool" comes to mind.

As we aged and learned TTATT, we are certainly wiser. As we speak up, maybe they will listen or maybe not. Either way, our lives are much happier and peaceful.

It's a cult.

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How would you summarize the basic message of the Watchtower versus the Bible?

by Fernando in

for me personally:.

watchtower - don't sin, don't question, don't think, don't reason, don't leave, or god will kill you in hell the big a.. bible - all dysfunction aka the "bad news" has been legally defeated by the "good news".. (i believe we are therefore free to begin naturally and progressively transitioning from a primitive type-0 civilisation if and when we choose to and when consensus reaches critical mass.

we will become a more advanced type-1 civilisation in the next 100 years according to michio kaku in "physics of the future".).

4thgen

Bible: Love your neighbor as yourself and your God with your whole heart.

WT: Be loyal, keep quiet, keep in subjection and sell literature.

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Ministy School - Endless, without graduation - How could we?

by 4thgen in

jw
friends

yesturday, i was talking to a friend and she said that in order to get a degree from a local college, they require a completed a public speaking course.

i said that was no problem, because i had been in a public speaking school for 40 years.

she looked at me like i had three heads.

4thgen

Thanks all! I guess we not alone.... Prologos Loved the point: "The "school" is also about power over you, that is why you never graduate. they have eternal power over you."

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Ministy School - Endless, without graduation - How could we?

by 4thgen in

jw
friends

yesturday, i was talking to a friend and she said that in order to get a degree from a local college, they require a completed a public speaking course.

i said that was no problem, because i had been in a public speaking school for 40 years.

she looked at me like i had three heads.

4thgen

Yesturday, I was talking to a friend and she said that in order to get a degree from a local college, they require a completed a public speaking course. I said that was no problem, because I had been in a public speaking school for 40 years. She looked at me like I had three heads. I said that I was in a Theocratic Ministry school for over 40 years and never graduated. As I was explaining it, she started to laugh. Then I laughed too, when I realized how stupid it all sounded. What are your experiences in trying to explain the silliness of a certain JW activity?

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Surprise Surprise. Got a letter from bethel today.,

by label licker in

4thgen

Label Licker: I did a similar thing, but I didn't put in my own references. I got a letter back that basically said the same thing 'So what....we don't care'" They only hear what they want to hear.

What do you think he meant: "He also said the elders would not be able to say what they really want to say if they knew they were being recorded?

WatchtowerFree : Loved your secrecy items. So true!

Joe134CD- There would probably be a 'cease and deist’ letter from the WT if they went public with the audio. The elders were not consented regarding the taping. However, he could put it up for a while, until the letter came…J

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Scripture supports the decrease in growth rate and the dumbing down of WT message

by never a jw in

i couldn't stay away from jwn, nor could i stay away from my favorite elder.. my email to my favorite elder:.

since the wt org.

is tightening its grip on the membership at the same time it is running the organization like a business (flipping real estate, downsizing and promoting a brand name, an idol and a flag such as jw.org), i feel that membership numbers are going to be affected; my bet is downward.

4thgen

Nah. Don't bother. 'Pearls' and all that. They will see what they want to see.

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will the jw logo become a flag?

by losingit in

jw
friends

with the unveiling of the new jw logo, and all of the emphasis placed on it , will the borg dare to put it on a flag?

i hope they do!

imagine all whom would wake up with such an act!

4thgen

Wouldn't that be something?

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Check out this photo from the article: The Jehovah's Witnesses' Annual Convention Was So Organized It Was Creepy

by 4thgen in

jw
friends

hello all, the link below is to the article: the jehovah's witnesses' annual convention was so organized it was creepy.

check out the size of the jw.org sign.

unbelievable.

4thgen

It's interesting to see it from the outside looking in. Always hated the new songs.....

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"We're calling on your neighbours to promote a website"

by Simon in

wow, it's true - they don't call to 'promote god's kingdom' anymore but just their website!.

we just had an old lady call and tell us that was exactly what they were doing and it has "lots of good things on their for children".

yeah, right ... sparlock?.

4thgen

I found a tract in my door and then a couple of days later a sister visited me.

"Oh did you see the new tract, it's so wonderful?"

"You mean the one about JW.org?"

"Yes, we're directing everyone to the website."

"I thought Jesus directed everyone to the Bible and God's Kingdom. What happened to that?"

She did a double take on that. I could see her confusion. Then she made an excuse and left. Probably won't be seeing her for a while. :)

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11-15 WT- Drinking before meetings

by Absalom in

to be holy, we must weigh the scriptures carefully and do what god asks of us.

consider aarons sons nadab and abihu, who were executed for offering unauthorized fire, perhaps while inebriated.

(lev.

4thgen

Drunkedness would make it all sound logical.