Posts by incognito2014

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Universal Sovereignty

by incognito2014 in

i always thought this was nonsense, just an excuse for why there’s suffering.. but just assuming there really is this very long period of human history to allow god to prove his sovereignty.

this issue that affects every being not just on the planet but in the universe .

it’s a big deal and one that is so important that billions of people have had to suffer for 6,000 years.. .

incognito2014

I always thought this was nonsense, just an excuse for why there’s suffering.

But just assuming there really is this very long period of human history to allow God to prove his sovereignty.

This issue that affects every being not just on the planet but in the universe

It’s a big deal and one that is so important that billions of people have had to suffer for 6,000 years.

So how does God prove his sovereignty, well we have a clue by the real issues facing mankind that the society are highlighting right now. They have got to the crux of it all.

If we could just stop wearing tight trousers, misusing pillows and purchasing ice creams!!!!

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Russia Confiscates $30.4 Million Property From Jehovah's Witnesses

by Room 215 in

https://www.worldreligionnews.com/religion-news/russia-confiscates-30-4-million-property-jehovahs-witnesses.

it would appear that with this most recent confiscation the total taken from the jws by moscow amounts to more that $75 million.

(ouch!

incognito2014

The misfortune of others is an issue on a personal level. The persecution of people and if individuals are having their property confiscated would be upsetting and wrong and we shouldn't gloat.

If this is property of the WTB&TS (as it appears to be) then I really couldn't give a toss. The organisaton has no qualms in confiscating property that JWs have paid for out of their own pockets and then even making the congregtions continue to pay.

This is Karma at its finest.

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Oh Boy! Beards are "stumbling blocks" again ... from Stephen Lett

by freddo in

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so this week's midweek meeting video about stumbling others has lett spouting and gurning rubbish again.. if you can't take the whole 9 minutes go from 5:50 to get the context and 6:45 for the "beard" mention.. https://youtu.be/ezv1ici5cwo.

oh, well - at least they shoot themselves in the foot with this doublespeak.

single.

incognito2014

I literally just tried pausing Lett at any point in his video and he looked ridiculous each and every time. Buffoon describes him to a tee.

Back on topic, this religion is fantastic at doing the stumbling. I'm not talking trivial things like beards and makeup, but completely unchristian actions , hatred and intolerance that they show. Everything they do, now that I can see the wood for the trees is offensive. Beards and makeup are not mentioned in the bible but caring the for the vulnerable is, the way you you treat those who want to return to god is, not making false prophesies in gods name is, the list goes on and on.

The don't care who they upset. Talk about "do as I say not as I do"

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If we just suddenly start talking to DFed people again and use the Canada court video as our argument, what would happen?

by Isambard Crater in

the jw lawyer clearly stated that disfellowshipping only applies to spiritual association, but everyday family contact is ok..

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In some instances, the disfellowshipped family member may still be living in the same home as part of the immediate household. Since his being disfellowshipped does not sever the family ties, normal day-to-day family activities and dealings may continue. Yet, by his course, the individual has chosen to break the spiritual bond between him and his believing family. So loyal family members can no longer have spiritual fellowship with him. For example, if the disfellowshipped one is present, he would not participate when the family gets together for family worship. However, if the disfellowshipped one is a minor child, the parents are still responsible to instruct and discipline him. Hence, loving parents may arrange to conduct a Bible study with the child.*—Proverbs 6:20-22;29:17.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102008083

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If we just suddenly start talking to DFed people again and use the Canada court video as our argument, what would happen?

by Isambard Crater in

the jw lawyer clearly stated that disfellowshipping only applies to spiritual association, but everyday family contact is ok..

incognito2014

I hate to say it but the lawyer is correct in certain circumstances.

If the person lives at home with the family then normal family relationships continue. For example if a father is disfellowshipped his family do still talk to him while he lives in the house. It's only the spiritual stuff that stops

Of course the odds are his wife will leave him with the kids and then they won't be allowed to speak to him at all but they can claim to be telling the truth in some circumstances.

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So obsessed

by incognito2014 in

i find it almost too difficult to bear.

my mother now in her 80's does not miss up on an opportunity to preach.

in fact most of the time the opportunity does not exist but she mentions something anyway.. she is so blind it's embarrassing.

incognito2014

I find it almost too difficult to bear. My mother now in her 80's does not miss up on an opportunity to preach. In fact most of the time the opportunity does not exist but she mentions something anyway.

She is so blind it's embarrassing

She continually praises individual witnesses and tells me how these individuals are the most fantastic people, point to where they live, where they work as we drive past. I couldn't care less but it does not deter her. Every conversation is about someone or something in her cong.

She mentions that the organisation is so efficient now and it has all changed for the better. It shouldn't have changed at all! This efficiency is list on her anyway because iPads etc are not her thing.

She mentions that 4 congregations are now sharing a hall but cant see in any way that this is a money grab form the WTB&TS.

I keep reading here that JWs are seeing through it but not so sure, are we projecting the fact we see though it onto others and assume they can also see it.

If my mothers anything to go by they haven't got a clue they just lap it up.

How are your older parents dealing with this change?

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Survey: How long were you in the cult vs what year you were baptized

by ILoveTTATT2 in

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hi people,.

i want as much data as possible on the effect of the internet on the time captured by the cult.. please answer the three following questions about yourself or about someone you know (for example, if your parents or grandparents were jw's and left).

1) were you raised as a jw, or did you convert?.

incognito2014

I am really surprised that no one picked up on my earlier comments.

The whole survey is destined to fail.

A person who “came in” in 2010 cannot possibly have done 40 years because there has not been 40 years since then. So the people who came in longer ago will on average have stayed in longer before leaving and the people who recently came in and left will have on average left more quickly.

It’s like saying that people born in the 60’s live longer than people born in the 90's because they are older!

Or if I am losing the plot please tell me.

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Survey: How long were you in the cult vs what year you were baptized

by ILoveTTATT2 in

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friends

hi people,.

i want as much data as possible on the effect of the internet on the time captured by the cult.. please answer the three following questions about yourself or about someone you know (for example, if your parents or grandparents were jw's and left).

1) were you raised as a jw, or did you convert?.

incognito2014

I have not read this whole thread so others may have commented similar already.

It seems to e that the whole basis for this data means that the only possible outcome is that people leave the "truth" in a shorter time more recently.

The reason is because your sample population is those that have left (even if mentally if not physically), i.e on this board. If someone came into the "truth" in the 1950's then they have a possibility of being a witness for 60 years or so, if they came in in 1990's then they could only do about 20 years but if they came in in 2010 they could only be a witness for a max of 5 years.

Granted some in the 60's would have lasted as a witness only a year or 2, but all of the 2010 would have only lasted a shorts time.

So obviously the later they came in the less time is was before they left.

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UK TV--next monday 24th aug---channel 5-----9 pm--escaping the witnesses

by stan livedeath in

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just see it advertised on tv--with photo of our friend from south wales

incognito2014

So angry. At the end of the programme the JWs gave a statement that said.

And I quote.

"If a family member has been shunned or disfellowshipped that does not sever the family ties and normal day to day dealings may continue"

Lying bastards!

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Poster country flags and privacy

by Simon in

the new forum originally had a little country flag next to each post showing the country that the post was made from based on the geoip encoding (the country the ip address is from).

before i switched over to the new site someone made an issue about it violating their privacy and i didn't want to complicate and confuse the switchover with policy debate at the same time as technical issues so removed the flags even though i disagreed.. someone has already requested it as a feature and i think it should be added back so i thought it's now time to open the discussion and get everyone's opinions.

first, the reason i think it should be shown:.

incognito2014

Simon

As I've said above, a flag is not "displaying people's information". It is a trait that someone has that is shared by millions of others and in no way identifies them.

As JWs form a small part of the population whilst it may be true that there will be millions of people who share a certain nationality it won't ever be true that millions of JWs share that trait of a single nationality. I just looked at the 2012 YB on jw.org and for example there are 7 witnesses in Norfolk Island.

It is good practice in surveys for example to anonymise (the spelling of that probably gave my own country away) the results by grouping where the numbers are very small in order to protect people.

The pain caused to many by being disfellowshipped is immense and in the rare circumstance that a person's nationality gives them away it may cause irreparable damage to their families and relationships.