How many more years do you think you have left to live?

by JH 54 Replies latest jw friends

  • Dansk
    Dansk

    Not worth thinking about!

    I agree with Sirona. Like her, I was very healthy. I hadn't seen my doctor in years and was quite fit. Then, I got hit with a rare form of cancer, Mantle Cell Lymphoma. I was given a short time to live, but have beaten the prognosis twice. When I live through October, that'll be three times I've passed my sell-by date!

    I'm very positive and the vigils undertaken by so many people here have undoubtedly helped. I refused chemotherapy for over 18 months before I had no choice - and it saved my life thus far (with the vigils, of course). I'm not ashamed to say I even started praying again (finding the teachings of Watchtower are false makes one question everything).

    It's an old cliche to take every day as it comes and I believe that's not always possible. It seems like the days go a lot quicker now when I'd rather they slowed down, of course! However, my disease gave me a wake-up call on how I should be living. There's no point in worrying about death as we could even succumb to a fatal heart attack in our sleep even in our twenties.

    What I've also realised is that we should be preparing for our deaths now. I don't mean that in a morbid sense; that it should be a constant thought. Rather, by truly living, i.e. helping our fellow man and the environment we are actually preparing ourselves for a good outcome in our next life, whether one believes in karma/kamma or going to heaven. Getting to know who we really are through the likes of meditation, I believe, also helps us prepare better for death. As it is inevitable it should be something we can accept and, dare I say it, even welcome.

    Life isn't all that pleasant when one truly analyses it. Sure, we can have happy times - but they are fleeting; they don't last. At some time we are likely to become ill. Our loved ones will also get ill and some will die. Sadly, some will be killed or die of a disease. We also grow old and could become infirm. The Buddha said all is suffering - dukkha - and he is right. Life CAN be joyful, which is why nobody wants to die, but if we are truly honest we know life truly is suffering because of what I have outlined above and how fleeting it all is.

    I am happier now than I have been for a very long time - but I still worry about my family. Nature teaches us an awful lot. It just gets on with life - and death - without ever thinking about it. So, thinking of when I may or may not die isn't worth the effort, though, yes, it WOULD be nice to reach old age in a happy and healthy condition knowing that one's children are also happy and healthy - and one's grandchildren, too.

    I look at life differently now. I watch the birds come to the feeders in my garden and observe how they just get on with life - the flowers, trees and insects, too. In reality, we are no different. I strongly believe in life after death, from a mainly Buddhist perspective but from a Christian one, too. For me death is a journey. My body will perish but not my consciousness, which will travel on to wherever it is meant to go (depending on my kamma). Of course, not everyone will agree. They will say one's consciousness dies with the body, but there are so many encouraging writings to the contrary (one immediately thinks of the works of Ramana, of the sayings of the Buddha, of Christ Jesus and of the Dalai Lama, etc.). All encouraging works that give genuine hope for the future. My goal is a simple one - to get off the constant weel of life, known as Samsara.

    This is a good and interesting thread.

    Love to All,

    Ian

  • bem
    bem


    (((((((Ian))))))) Your words made me cry, not that tears are always a bad thing. During work this week-end I couldn't help but notice how beautiful the moon was. So indeed we do have to notice everything.My children were all at my house this week-end, I took time to really listen to them laugh and fuss at one another. They are 26,24 and 16 years old. They still do the same things now they did as children. I think they do it now to get to me.but we never know when it will be the last time we enjoy them.

    I have watched so many family members die with disease, especially cancer. Some seemed to begin death as soon as they found out they had cancer. Others fought it until the cancer was the only thing that was alive in them. So I know you have to fight it, and diabetes zaps the health from many of my relatives. So I am realistic about my chances according to inherited traits and disease that I have a very good chance of contracting the same illness' they have suffered with or died from. I sure don't wish for it. but a lot of the health problems my mom has at 60 I started getting at 40 so that's a wake up-call. I think my poor health is from a childhood of abuse by my step-father and never ever really feeling like my mom loved me. So I blame my health issues on lack of protection and lack of nurture. It's not being dead that scares me it's the process we may go through to get there that scares me. I hope for as many years as possible. And as mentioned earlier.I am really holding on to that Quote " the good die young, so I'm gonna live forever"

    Dorothy

  • Dansk
    Dansk

    Hi Dorothy ((((((((((((())))))))))))))))

    It's not being dead that scares me it's the process we may go through to get there that scares me.

    The above has it in a nutshell. It is a very profoundly true statement.

    I'm terribly sorry to hear of your own health issues when I know you often concern yourself with mine (and undoubtedly others).

    It's no bad thing to cry. I can get all emotional myself if something connects.

    I can honestly say I haven't been so much afraid of dying, but when I came close a few months ago I became afraid of the way in which I might die. My breathing was terrible. I felt like I was going to choke and would be gasping for breath, knowing I was dying and that no one could do anything about it. To die in one's sleep is obviously the best way; the one in which I and undoubtedly most want to go. The fear of the way we die is therefore greater than the fear of death itself - and yet chances are we won't die the way we fear!

    I guess our greatest enemy to our own achievement of happiness is ourselves; it's our minds! Control our minds and we could well live a decent life and, yes, even die happily.

    So glad you enjoyed your family around you. You really noticed. You really became aware. Many people throughout the world are trying to do what you achieved every day. It's called 'living in the moment'. When we don't think about it it becomes effortless; natural. It is more difficult when we strive for it, like trying to meditate to still the mind.

    A great reply, Dorothy, and one that has got me thinking again

    Love to you,

    Ian

  • GetBusyLiving
    GetBusyLiving

    I think the world is overdue for a huge epidemic (possibly avian flu) that will wipe out a good portion of the human population.

    I could die on the way home from work. I could live to a hundred. Dieing is really the least of my concerns. Its the possiblity of not truly living that frightens me.

    When it is my day to die.. I hope I'm still sane and that it is as painful an experience as I can possibly endure.

    GBL

  • whyamihere
    whyamihere

    I don't know. After all I have gone through and what Doctors are saying to me I don't know........

    Could be I die early. I just hope I live long enough that my kids remember me.

    Brooke

  • Jordan
    Jordan

    I just did the death clock thing, and it said I got another 53 years left, and I figured I'd mess around with it, I could have a BMI of +45 and be a smoker and I'd still have about 45 years... so, with that in mind, I'm going for a big greasy kebab...

    *lights cigarette*

  • Dansk
    Dansk

    Sheesh, Brooke!

    Whatever your problems, you're in my thoughts! ...............And your kids WILL remember you! Be positive and positive things happen!!

    Love,

    Ian

  • outnfree
    outnfree

    One never can know, can one?

    Also diagnosed with a life-threatening disease this year, I have no way of knowing if I'll beat the odds, even though I am undergoing treatments (natural and medical) to fight the breast cancer.

    What's important to me is that I continue to live as well as I can -- being kind, unstingy, willing to share both material goods and hard-earned wisdom -- and also that my loved ones still love me and are around when it's my time to go.I would like to not be crotchety in my old age (or as I descend further into illness) and to keep a cheerful outlook.

    I, too, believe, that my consciousness will NEVER die, and that a part of us remains alive eternally. Therefore, that I shall be reachable and able to reach my loved ones forever and ever. I feel this now with those who have passed before me, and I feel connections with my former lives and those who spent time with me in those former lives. It is incredibly humbling and mind-boggling, and yet it is MY truth, my experience, my long life's path. I am convinced we are immortal.

    What I most wish for in this life is joy. I try to find some in every day. Right now that's difficult because I'm trapped in a place with hurtful memories. But soon I'll have my own home and I plan to fill it with harmony, love and as much joy as I can reap by treating others right. Then I'll die content, I hope, whenever it may be.

    outnfree

  • JamesThomas
    JamesThomas

    First, do we truly know who/what we are, before we speculate about it?

    All things born, will die. What is it that is not a thing? What is it most intimate and close which can not be condensed into an object? Who/what am I, really?

    Since attention and concern is focused outward, has our real and true Identity gone unnoticed? Is there a deeper Significance, so vital and far-reaching that when realized, there are no more questions about death, or where I am going or where I have been?

    j

  • Doubtfully Yours
    Doubtfully Yours

    Based on my health wise habits, and my family blood line, I should live 'til I'm 90. Of course, accidents do happen in the way there. May I be fortunate enough to live 'til 90, or 'til my goal... 100!

    DY

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