Re: Judah Ben Schroeder (page 2)

sf

So, when it STATES here, on this doc:

< http://wpxx02.toxi.uni-wuerzburg.de/~krasel/CoS/ars4/ars4_30.html

"...Judah Schroeder, Director International Affairs, Jehovah's Witnesses;..."

could you not say, in REALITY that he was indeed a "director"? Or is his name here on technicality? Perhaps a phone call could help. However, I truly thought more would be commenting on this guy. Or at least knew him enough to basically "tell his story". Who else here were close to Judah? It's all becoming so fascinating.

Seems he isn't really worth "speaking" of, or is this an illusion too? What gives?

Sincerely, sKally

Prisca

Skally,

You are reading something into what is not there.

Just because the media calls him a "Director International Affairs" does not mean he is a Director in the sense you are trying to infer.

It is better to stick to the facts than to stir up controversy.

UK Rector

This presentation was like many others JWs have made in getting in bed with CESNUR and trying to sway public opinion--yes, that is public relations activity. Europeans seem to have a better understanding of this. The citation below is not even from the media, but someone who writes about Scientology. Note his use of the words "pony show."

: And I reentered the room, and went up to one of the cameramen who was still running his camera, explained what happened, and his camera then zoomed in on: SCIENTOLOGY: WORSE THAN YOU THINK! and the People Against Scientology logo may make it to the evening news in Germany, showing truth crushing a swastika. [I] gave the Aide a copy of my flyers and Art of Deception, telling him simply, 'I was just asked to leave the Press conference, your chairman needs to understand exactly what he has stepped in.

"Scientology listed the following 'AUTHORITIES' for references to back up today's pony show. Dr. David Little, Professor of the Practice in Religion, Ethnicity and International Conflict, Harvard University; Massimo Introvigne, CENSUR, Director Center for Studies on New Religions, Torino ITALY; Dr. Derek Davis, Director JM Dawson Institute of Church State Studies Baylor University; Dr. Jeremy Gunn, former US State Department Religious freedom office; Judah Schroeder, Director International Affairs, Jehovah's Witnesses; Lee Boothby President, Int. Commission on freedom of Conscience Wash DC; Dr. Cole Durham, professor, Law School, Brigham Young University Provo Utah; Dan Fefferman, Exec Dir Int Coalition for Religious Freedom; Dr. James Richardson, professor, Sociology and Judicial Studies, University of Nevada; Dr. J. Gordon Melton Ex Dir American Branch of CENSUR; Khaled Saffuri ED Islamic Institute Wash DC."

SCIENTOLOGY claimed that exaggerated title for Schroeder.

There should be no controversy whatsoever, unless someone believes something "because I saw it on TV" or in a magazine or --

Skally, no one can tell you the story, because there is no story to tell -- and what there is, has already been told and retold on these threads.

UK Rector

sf

Thanks for the replies.

Guess I'll have to research "SCHROEDER" history on my own. Just thought I'd at least get some of the ones who "knew" him, to reply on that history. I'm not trying to "read" into anything. I just want TheTruth, and nothing but....

Thanks again for the replies.

sKally

Hank

sk,

You are smelling the wrong bushes and looking up the wrong trees. Forget about Judah Ben Schroeder. He's a good man who was screwed by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society for being a good man. Also, forget about the Masons and Illumaniti and Russell.

Even lurkers like me can see that is looking down the wrong trail.

"Follow the greed and the power."

Henry

larc

sf,

There are people who posted here who know the man and know the inner workings of Bethel. They explained it all in great detail. Why can't you see that.

I remember one of your sites said that the JWs had secret rituals. Why is it that none of the 2500 resistered poster here never saw them? Do you ever see any? Get a grip sf.

sf

Hank,

I ask that you do not tell me what to "forget". You have no right to do so. I can post with free will here, just as all are allowed the same. I will not stand for others TRYING to silence my voice here or anywhere. What makes you think I will or have to OBEY your "command"? Remember, I haven't been under an elders thumb for a long time. Isn't gonna happen ever again either...here or anywhere. I won't cease MY voice and choice of expression just because others think it's all krap. You really think I'm going to FORGET about anything that has to do with this ROT(TEN), CRIMINALLY,CORRUPT RACKETT? You really expect it to just be "forgotten"?

I will not discuss ona public forum my research re: the Illuminati either, as I know this is exactly what some want, for whatever reasons. And if you all can't stomach my posts, why do you eat them everyday??

Please, I will NOT be controlled by any Man, woman or child telling me what I can and cannot post and what to remember and what to forget. I will control that! Please, respect my freedoms of expression, whether you agree, like, or dislike my dialog. It's my right and I hereby claim it.

Sincerely, Skally, who wonders if they know it hurts when They do this, klass

Hank

sk,

: I won't cease MY voice and choice of expression just because others think it's all krap.

I haven't seen any worthwhile research. I've seen, krap. You haven't listened those those who know and you are looking like someone who is not focused in any right direction. If you want to stir up responses with your research, then you may play on. If you want to stir up genuine discussions, then you are failing miserably.

Just because you are a loudmouth doesn't mean what you've said so far is significant or important. I think it may be counter-productive, sk.

Henry

MadApostate

Henry:

You said: "I think it may be counter-productive,..."

There's no "thinking" about it. XJW websites which promote, or link to those that promote, HORSESHIT such as "Russell was Illuminati", "Russell was a Mason", and other similar CRAP, UNQUESTIONABLY ARE BENEFITING AND DOING THE WTS BIGTIME FAVORS!!!

Any discerning person (JW or otherwise) seeking info about the WTS, who runs across one of these websites, will think WTS opposers are a bunch of NUTS. It would make them leary as to the accuracy of even other XJW sites which do not contain such CRAP.

I would not be surprised to even see the WTS quote from one of these websites in some future "anti-web" article, as an example of how XJWs LIE about the WTS.

I'm sure that everyone here is even familiar with a MAJOR XJW website, which posts Scanned Documents, which these "conspiracy-theory" Nuts link to as part of their "proof" that Russell was a Mason. That site, which has much other GOOD material does a disservice not only to himself, but the entire XJW community, in posting that material in a way that the entire document cannot be easily read, and the truth obtained.

AGAIN, I call for XJWs to clean up their act. Promoting LIES about the WTS does nothing but HELP the WTS, and HARMS the "cause".

Prisca

Well said MA.

Speculations and exaggerations only give the WTS ammunition to use against ex-jws. Unfortunately, many of those with ex-jw sites are so bent on focusing on the wrongs of the WTS, they fail to see the full picture, and just who they are trying to appeal to.

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