Emily at the Beach

by Undecided 15 Replies latest jw friends

  • Mommie Dark
    Mommie Dark

    But Friday, I thought your god doesn't want anyone to die, but wants all to attain salvation? If His Revealed Word is so obscure and hard to figure out, that makes it pretty worthless. YOu can't have it both ways...either it's THE guidebook for all seasons or it isn't. If it's obscure and hard to figure out, it's useless as a practical guide for living.

    So is the Gospel message of salvation simple and clear and easy to attain, or is it difficult and obscure and you have to work your sorry sinful ass off to figure it out? Which is it?

    Sometimes I wonder if you actually lend a second's thought to some of the things you assert. If your god is that devious and tricky, he's a right bastard and doesn't deserve an iota of respect.

  • Abaddon
    Abaddon

    Hey Mommie, you gotta stop doing that! Everytime I get a knee jerk 'oh how can anyone believe that drivel' sort of thing, I foind you've already posted.

    But yes indeed, it is true, and it is drivel.

    Let us examine reknaws logic;

    God’s word has been deliberately written with a certain amount of obscurity in it. If it weren’t written down that way then even those who aren’t deserving of such knowledge would be blessed even as much as those who were in fact deserving to know.

    As you point out MD, so much for the 'desirous that none are destroyed' shmuck.

    You know as well as I do that even humans mimic this same principle sometimes. You’ve heard people say: “I wouldn’t give that so-and-so the time of day!” And why not? Because so-and-so is considered to not deserve even that minor favor.

    I thought the creator was meant to be better than us! Well, that made in his image stuff MUST be true then, as god seems to be hypocritical too, and we all know what big fat hypocitites we humans are - even you reknaw (okay, especially you). That would explain as was bought out in a post the other day by bboyneko (?) the contradiction between god telling the Israelites not to punish sons for fathers sins or vica versa, and yet going on at length about punishing children for their fathers errors.

    There are many truths throughout the pages of the Bible that persons just have to prove themselves worthy of being privy to understanding them.

    Very interesting use of the word 'privy', which kind of makes me even more convinced you're not that start but are just a big old judgemental idiot savant. Privy means private, withdrawn, secret, or 'admitted as one sharing in a secret <privy to the conspiracy' (example from Websters).

    As such you seem either to be using the word in a context you did not fully intend, or are admitting that the truth is a secret.

    Such an idea smacks of the Gnostics and many other religions where there is some sacred secret - it's a hugely pagan idea. Now you might approve of your Jewish thunder god having special secrets, but I think the idea you are espousing is one far removed from what Jesus taught.

    This is even borne out in the 2nd chapter of Proverb, verses 1 thru 6. As in the case with literal gold as a treasure -- it generally takes much digging and hard, dedicated work to discover where it’s at -- so too with the gems buried in the Bible. The person that has no more than just a casual interest, and so therefore is not all that determined and is unwilling to work hard, will not find the treasures that lay waiting to be discovered in the Bible. This has been tried and proven in my own case, so I know it’s the truth because I’ve found some of the Bible’s treasures.

    Obscurity clashes with the idea of a god of love desirous of all being saved. Choose. Do you want a secret or do you want a god of love. You can't have both.

    As for the treasures you have found in the Bible, your next comments reveal them;

    That treasure is there in the Bible. Is it that you are simply too infatuated with relaxation so as to pick up your pick and shovel and find that big hunk of gold? I really find it hard to believe sometimes that others and you here on this board (such as Farkel and AF, for example) have spiraled down to nothing when it comes to appreciation of what the Bible is all about. The root cause of such problems usually has its basis in one of the things mentioned at Matthew 13:3-7. You might pay particular attention to verses10-15, as it goes along with what I was saying above.

    The only real treasure for you in the Bible is the fact you use it to inflate your feeling of importance and self-worth and lord it over those you consider lesser than you. You so obviously do not give a flying fuck whether people are saved or not. It's all about YOU and YOUR vanity, so the 'preaching' work you do here is null and void Friday.

    So have your violent, decietfull, killer god you sick little man, and I hope you are happy with him. If god is in ANY WAY like you conceptualise him, I can take comfort in the fact he already knows that I think he's an asshole.

    If god is like you believe him to be, and there is also a Satan, then Satan is more a freedom fighter than a rebel, and the Bible is just a totalitarian despot's propoganda.

    You really need to think this through reknaw...

  • Undecided
    Undecided

    Friday,

    I tried the studying routine, I have read the bible many times and it doesn't make a lot of sense. The way God acted with the people in the time of the Isrealites is not even close to the way Christ describes God. Why did he change so much when he decided to deal with the gentiles? Which brand of religion should I follow? The GB has been wrong so many times that it seems useless to try and understand what God is really trying to say to us. They say to follow them as God's spokesman and yet they haven't a clue as to what God is doing for his supposed people. I guess you and YK have found the "truth" and we should listen to you. I don't think so.

    I will try and live my remaining days with the idea that we should respect our fellow man and help as we can, change the attitude to that of love whenever possible and hope God will see our hearts(whatever that is) and reward us if he sees fit to do so. I don't condemn you for your personal view of God but I don't think you have the right to expect me to fellow your view of "truth". I just don't see the Christain view of God to be very beneficial to mankind as history will attest. The view as expressed by the GB hasn't been so great either. Religious groups just want control of your lives and money, they arn't getting either from me.

    Ken P.

  • Tanalyst
    Tanalyst

    What a doll. Glad you're smelling the roses.

  • mommy
    mommy

    Hey Ken
    She is such a cutie AWWWWW You do know we are no longer neighbors, I have moved to the great white north I wanted to be closer to my family for my children's sake. So therefore I may beg you to snap a shot of the mountains for me every now and then, when I start getting homesick. Which seems to be a few times a day now. The things we will do for our children...lol

    Great to see you, and Emily. Please keep us posted on her beautiful smile
    wendy

    In a controversy the instant we feel anger, we have already ceased striving for the truth, and have begun striving for ourselves.

  • Undecided
    Undecided

    Hi Mommy,

    It just happens I snaped a few yesterday while on the parkway. They are beautiful and I can imagine how you will miss them. I'll post one just for you when I get them developed. They are magnificent in the fall. I hope your family is doing well and happy.

    Ken P.

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