Suicide after convention (page 3)

chasson

Fred,

Suicide is a murder, they must knowed if you are repentant, and in my case even if it was a depression, there were a stupid punition:

No baptem.

In fact, this kind of punition two days after an attempt of suicide, has only made me feel worse.

Can you realise that ? Have you somewhere a little heart to understand that ? or will you continue to says that this men has made their best.

Oh i have forgotten. the stupid question: Have you some spirit in your family ? have you an spitit's book at your home ?

Very clever.

Bye

Charles

Fredhall

ChuckD,

At times, elders do recommend professional help. But, that is up to the individual and not the elders.

chasson

hi maximus,

and sometimes you have to go to a physician for help

Why "sometimes", i don't think that i would be here without professionnal. They are stupid.

PS: Wasn't GB member Ted Jaracz present at this convention? His assistant said he was in France

I don't have asked the question at my friend about this.

Bye

Charles

chasson

fred,

At times, elders do recommend professional help. But, that is up to the individual and not the elders.

What, they have nocapacities to make something in a case of a depression even counsel. "At times" no "at the beginning".

Bye

Charles

ChuckD

Fred,

Now we are getting somewhere. I appreciate your answers.

You state that there would be occasions when an elder would recommend that someone seek professional help, right? Do you feel that elders, no matter how well-intentioned they may be, are qualified to recognize the signs of mental illness as opposed to "spiritial weakness" in someone who comes to them in a time of crisis?

Remember, many members of the organization have been taught over and over to seek out council among the elders, and not to turn to worldly sources. Sure, people know that a cut on the hand requires a trip to the doctor for stitches, but can they recognize the signs of a serious depression that could lead to suicide?

These are very serious issues Fred, and not something that should be dismissed flippantly. People entrust their lives to the organization, and can easily find themselves in a situation where the advice they get from those they look to for guidance is not the best.

d0rkyd00d

Chasson, just wondering, are you from outta country? where are ya from? Just curious.

"No cool quote yet. but i'll think of one soon."

chasson

hi dOrkydOOd,

From France, Paris.

Bye

Charles

Room 215

A postscript to Maximus' remarks, in which he makes note of the Society's begrudging endorsement to seek help, in their words ``from a physician.'' It seems significant to me that they avoid saying ``from a qualified mental heath professional.'' I'm afraid most of these latter would urge the patient to lose their guilt-inducing religion for starters.

Maximus

Not to be guilty of quotations out of context, as the Society often is, I hasten to note the use of single quotation marks in my post above. That's because of the following material preceding:

"Openly provide your physician with any helpful information you can, including recent changes in the teen's life that might be contributing his or her listlessness. Make sure that the doctor spends enough time listening to the symptoms before making a diagnosis." (Control, control, control; God forbid it be REAL depression in a JW household! At least there is no mention of checking for Voodoo or other spiritistic objects around.)

"Freely ask the physician any questions that you may have. For instance, if the doctor feels that your teen is clinically depressed, you might want to ask why he ruled out other diagnoses. If you have doubts about the doctor's evaluation, tell him you would like to get a second opinion. Surely, no upright and sincere doctor would dissuade you from doing so." P. 11

(Do whatever it takes to get some doctor to tell you your teen is FAKING depression? Society doesn't want a rash of kids tagged as depressives after this article? While being in <gulp> THE TRUTH?)

(Wow, they missed their chance to use "honest-hearted.") Oh, yes: There is the old "make sure your teen gets a proper amount of rest, nutrition, and exercise."

Full quotation of my partial one: "Of course, the Bible is not a medical textbook. Hence, it does not eliminate the need for us to seek appropriate treatment for sicknesses, such as depression. Still, the Bible contains principles that can help us to comfort sufferers. More than that, it contains God's promise that he will soon heal all of our maladies (Psalm 103:3). Yes, Jehovah purposes to "revive the heart of the ones being crushed."--Isaiah 57:15. Awake! 9/8/2001, p. 14.

This is accompanied by a picture of the depressed girl on the cover, now smiling and holding ... guess what?

Max

ChuckD

This is accompanied by a picture of the depressed girl on the cover, now smiling and holding ... guess what?

Must .... resist ....

Must not say ..... must control urge ....

Man, I have had some tempting "straight lines" come my way on this forum, but that one is a doozey.

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