Regarding the holy Trinity

kristiano1122

I want to know why JW dont accept the holy trinity even though there is enough biblical evidence in the bible regarding this. The following passages are from the book of John

1:1. In the beginning was the Word: and the Word was with God: and the Word was God.

Your bible is the only one that says the word was "A" god.

1:2. The same was in the beginning with God

1:3. All things were made by him: and without him was made nothing that was made. refering to Jesus of course

1:4. In him was life: and the life was the light of men

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. - 1 John 5:7

8:24. Therefore I said to you that you shall die in your sins. For if you believe not that I am he, you shall die in your sin.

I and my Father are one." (John 10:30).

14:10. Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father in me? The words that I speak to you, I speak not of myself. But the Father who abideth in me, he doth the works.

16:15. All things whatsoever the Father hath are mine. Therefore I said that he shall receive of me and show it to you.

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. - Genesis 1:26

And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory. – Isaiah 6:3 Notice the repitition, it was not in vain. It was to glorify the Father, Son and Spirit.

Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: - John 17:20-22

"That which my Father hath given me, is greater than all . . . I and the Father are one." The words, "That which my Father hath given me," can, having regard to the context, have no other meaning than the Divine Name, possessed in its fullness by the Son as by the Father.

I think that is enough evidence but if you guys need i have a lot more to support the Trinity, I was wondering if you guys have discussed this before? And if JW really dont accept the Trinity? with all the passages from the bible that support this

Narkissos

Welcome kristiano,

(1) This is (mostly) an ex-JW forum.

(2) This is discussed about daily. Just look at the active topics and you'll find a couple of related threads going.

Honesty

Welcome to JWD, Kristiano1122

I enjoyed your post. However, you are singing to the choir because 99% of us here are not Jehovah's Witnesses. We either were kicked out, left quietly or publicly renounced the Jehovah's Witnesses and the Witchtower Babble and Trick Society as false prophets and a dangerous cult.

Personally, I believe that God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are 3 persons in communion with one another who comprise the Godhead. You will find those here who disagree and others who have become agnostic or atheists since leaving the JW cult of lies and deception.

Look around and enjoy the comments and topics.

Finally-Free

Jehovah's Witnesses do believe in a Holy Trinity, just not the one the bible speaks of. Here is a graphical representation of theirs:

Welcome to the forum!

W

yaddayadda

Kristiano, JW's have rebuttals and non-trinitarian explanations to all the points/scriptures you make. You can read most of their case for the falsehood of the trinity on their website www.watchtower.org. The whole of their 'Should You Believe in The Trinity' brochure can be read on that site.

Personally I reject the trinity, but at the same time I feel that JW's dont focus nearly enough on Jesus or give him enough honour. Emphasis on the 'faithful and discreet slave' and The organisation has supplanted Jesus.

For every scripture that one can say may support the trinity dogma you can find about a dozen that completely contradict it. What counts is the overall weight of testimony in scripture, not just what a few verses here and there seem to say. Trinitarians are too fond of plucking half a dozen scriptures to support their view but ignoring the overall body of evidence.

Jesus never once called himself God or God the son. Although he accepted worship (obeisance) of a type from his disciples on occasion, this was a different type of worship than that to be rendered exclusively to the Father. Jesus repeatedly and purposefully directed the emphasis towards his Father, (Yahweh in the old testament). Jesus could not be God if he could do 'nothing of his own initiative' (John 5:19), he could not be God if he denied being good saying that 'no one is good but God' (John 18:19). And God cannot ever die, even if he is 3-in-1 as trinitarians claim, yet Jesus was literally dead and non-existant for 3 days. I obey these scriptures:

Luke 4:8 - "In reply Jesus said to him: 'It is written, 'It is Jehovah (the Father) your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.' "

John 20:17 - Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me. For I have not yet ascended to the Father. But be on your way to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and YOUR Father and to my God and YOUR God.’”

1 Cor 11: 3 - But I want YOU to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn the head of a woman is the man; in turn the head of the Christ is God. (ie, even after his resurrection the Father was still the head of Christ - no equality there)

stillajwexelder

DONT YOU MEAN -- THE UNHOLY TRINITY

jaffacake

The Trinity is a relatively late doctrine. At best an attempt at approximating the nature of God and the relationship between Father, Son & Holy Spirit. If it was and is so clear in the Bible, then why did the doctrine take hundreds of years to evolve. There are far more important things for Christians to debate. We need an open mind on such doctrines instead of just accepting what our denomination says.

I am no longer a trinitarian, but the JW teachings are a mile farther from Scriptural truth than trinitarian teaching. JWs are not actually Christian at all.

kristiano1122

Wow.......well a JW forum with non-JWs. I think thats pretty funny. I havent really read other threads in this forum but if u guys can, please sum up ur reasons for not being JW anymore. I'm curious to find out why. I heard the story of how the founder of JW prophecized Jesus' coming like twice and failed but i dont know the rest and i dont know what other lies they tell ppl, hope to hear from u guys thanks

also even though it took so long for the idea of the trinity to come along i think it still makes sense, Jesus is compared to and called God too many times for it not to make sense.

John 1:1 (NIV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

John 8:58 (NIV) "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am

Isaiah 7:14 (NIV) Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.

If i am correct, "Immanuel" means "god" or god with us

John Doe

I think arguing semantics over an ancient translation is rather pointless.

kristiano1122

If its pointless then we shouldnt read the bible at all

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