simpler than all that - Do the symbols of Christian salvation apply to you - yes or no?
If they do, there can't be any reason not to partake
If they don't, why are you wasting your time pretending to be blessed as a Christian?
metatron
DOUBLE STANDARDS FOR DUB DOCTRINES
by Mary 30 Replies latest jw friends
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Mary
Gumby....* who can't remember if it's Garage sales or Yard Sales that have the demunz*
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Narkissos
Beside preaching, why does the requirement of (allegedly) Christian baptism (also in Matthew 28:18-20) apply to people who are denied the Eucharist, while those two "sacraments" (whatever their interpretation) are constitutive of Christianity throughout the NT?
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Mary
Gumby....* who can't remember if it's Garage sales or Yard Sales that have the demunz*
It's the Ga-rage Sales who are demunized.......think about it: they can possess a ga-rage, but how the heck would they possess a Yard??
Its only when Judge Ratherflawed introduced this other class of inferior earthly christians - the great crowd - that you have to ask what would apply.
This is true. Ratherflawed changed so many of Brother Russell's teachings within a few years that it became a totally different religion. I'm not aware of any other religion that has the two-class Christians like the WTS has.
Elderly Brother Anointed went on to explain how it was a PRIVILEDGE for the Great Crowd to assist in this preaching work.
Ya right, like anyone actually views it as a "priviledge".....but even if they did, any preaching that those of the "Great Crowd" did should be strictly voluntary without fear of being exterminated at Armageddon by a vengeful Jesus who isn't our Mediator anyway.
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gumby
they can possess a ga-rage, but how the heck would they possess a Yard??
Demunz can inhabit dirt ya knuklehead! They can inhabit pigs, dirt, garages, your computor, your brain, and all kinds a shit.
Gumby
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Cellist
I think I remember there being two classes listed in Russell's writings. "Christians" and "the Swine class". I'm not sure if he applied them the same way as Rutherford though.
Mary and Gumby, you two have it all wrong. The demons are in the objects at both Garage and Yard sales. How else would you be able to take one home?
Cellist
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Mary
I think I remember there being two classes listed in Russell's writings. "Christians" and "the Swine class".
Oh my god, you're kidding!! I never knew that.......he was probably bombed out of his skull on bathtub gin when he wrote that. I wonder if anyone who was there at the 1935 conventions when they announced that most of them wouldn't be going to heaven after all, weren't "thrilled" with this "new light" and left.......that's something you never hear about..........I also think it's pathetic how, when they're comparing the modern day WTS to the nation of Israel, they also have a double standard: if the Israelites committed apostacy or did anything baaaad, then they compare that to "false religion today", but if the Israelites ever did anything right, then that "forshadows spiritual Israel today."
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Cellist
Oh yes. Heads, I win. Tails, you lose.
It's been a long time since I've read anything that Russell wrote, so I'm rather fuzzy on how he applied the term "swine class". But it's kind of a standing joke in our home, referring to things as the "swine class". Maybe someone who has the info will comment.
Cellist
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TopHat
Gumby....* who can't remember if it's Garage sales or Yard Sales that have the demunz*
So does that mean DONUT SHOPS aren't demunized?
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DannyHaszard
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/33225/1.ashx Perry at JWD July 2002 HAVING IT BOTH WAYS
Below is a piece I believe is very insightful.
1. When individuals leave the organization for conscience reasons, it is evidence that God is shepherding and protecting the flock by doing a sifting work.
When people leave another Christian religion it is evidence that the religion is morally corrupt and unable or unwilling to provide spiritually for their members.
2. When a Christian from another denomination lies, he is acting according to his own disposition being from the father of the lie.
When a Jehovahs Witness lies, he is proving his loyalty to Jehovah and fulfilling his sacred obligation to engage in spiritual warfare.
3. During times of rapid growth the organization claims Gods approval for the harvest.
During times of little or negative growth, the organization prints that this is evidence that the end is near because it appears that the harvest work is almost over.
4. When a Jehovahs Witness is martyred, it is seen as following Christs example and fulfillment of Scripture.
When a Christian of another faith is martyred it is seen as a misguided, albeit admirable exercise in a form of faith but proving false to its Source.
5. When the organization prophesies falsely it is due to man's imperfection and an eagerness to see the new system.
When another faith prophesies falsely it is proof that they are a false prophet in fulfillment of Christs words about the presence of many false prophets during the last days.
6. When other Christian faiths experience growth it is because the Devil is misleading the entire inhabited earth.
When Jehovahs Witnesses experience growth it is undeniable evidence that Jesus is actively leading the organization.
7. When other religions are exposed as fraudulent and a menace to society and they lose certain privileges or status within a particular context, it is because God uses the governments as his executioner of justice.
When the Jehovahs Witnesses are exposed as fraudulent and a menace to society and they lose certain privileges or status within a particular context, it is because Satan owns all the governments; else how could he have offered all of them to Jesus as a temptation?
8. When the Catholic Church engages in protecting Pedophile Priests by hushing up the matter it is evidence that they are a filthy Harlot.
When Jehovahs Witnesses dont notify police of charges of child molestation it is because of their willingness to allow Jehovah to handle the matter in his due time; thereby displaying faith in the ultimate JUDGE.
9. Jehovahs Witnesses claim to have no clergy and hence are totally unlike Christendoms rulers who get special reverence and lord it over their brothers.
When asked why they dont report criminal charges to the police they claim it is because it's a perversion of the clergy/laity relationship.
10. When a Jehovahs Witness is unrepentant he is disfellowshipped., branded unfit for association.
When the organization is unrepentant of its sins and people find it unfit for association and contentiously leave, it is because they are full of pride and refuse to wait on Jehovah.
11. When a Christian of another faith celebrates Mothers Day they are following ancient pagan practices and giving undue attention to someone.
When Sisters wear a wedding ring which clearly has pagan origins and draws attention to her status, it is evidence of the divinely inspired institution of marriage.
12. When a Jehovahs Witness defrauds another Witness, it may be brought before the elders for possible social sanction if guilty.
When a Christian of another faith defrauds a Witness he is often times encouraged to sue the pants off him and squeeze him for every dime.
13. When other Churches support the UN it is evidence that the harlot is fornicating with the Wild Beast.
When the organization officially agreed to support UN objectives it was because they needed "access to their library".
14. When a differrent faith-believing relative shuns their Jehovah's Witness family member, it is fulfillment of Christs prophecy concerning the breaking up of families when someone starts to believe in Christ.
When a Jehovahs Witness shuns his different believing relatives, whether they believe in Christ or not, it is seen as an action necessary to keep oneself without spot from the world.
15. Every event in Jehovahs Witness life is seen as evidence that they have the truth and others will simply be destroyed by God.
Perhaps others can provide more examples of having it both ways. I'd argue it is their defining characteristic.