Book Study Wk of 11/21-11/28: Who Can Stand Against The Prince of Princes?

by ithinkisee 27 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  corproal

  Just thought of something else

  The name watchtower brings up images of wizards and warlocks to me.
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  corproal

  I did a search on on Matthew 28:16-20

  here's what it says.

  28:16

  Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.

  28:17

  And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.

  28:18

  And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

  28:19

  Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

  28:20

  Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

  Now here's how the NWT has it rendered

  16 However, the eleven disciples went into Gal´i·lee to the mountain where Jesus had arranged for them, 17 and when they saw him they did obeisance, but some doubted. 18 And Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU . And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.”

  16 However, the eleven disciples went into Gal´i·lee to the mountain where Jesus had arranged for them, 17 and when they saw him they did obeisance, but some doubted. 18 And Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU . And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.

  the definition of the word obeisance

  o·bei·sance (-bsns, -b-) n. 1. A gesture or movement of the body, such as a curtsy, that expresses deference or homage. 2. An attitude of deference or homage. [Middle English obeisaunce , from Old French obeissance , from obeissant , present participle of obeir , to obey; see obey.] o·beisant adj.

  The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2003. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
  Thesaurus Legend: Synonyms Related Words Antonyms

  Noun	1.	obeisance - bending the head or body or knee as a sign of reverence or submission or shame bowing, bow gesture, motion - the use of movements (especially of the hands) to communicate familiar or prearranged signals curtsey, curtsy - bending at the knees; a gesture of respect made by women genuflection, genuflexion - the act of bending the knees in worship or reverence kotow, kowtow - a former Chinese custom of touching the ground with the forehead as a sign of respect or submission scrape, scraping - a deep bow with the foot drawn backwards (indicating excessive humility); "all that bowing and scraping did not impress him" salaam - a deep bow; a Muslim form of salutation
  	2.	obeisance - the act of obeying; dutiful or submissive behavior with respect to another person obedience submission, compliance - the act of submitting; usually surrendering power to another truckling - the act of obeying meanly (especially obeying in a humble manner or for unworthy reasons
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  heathen

  corproal--- You are sounding like a catholic . The WTBTS uses the word emblems because they believe the ritual is symbolic , the wine and bread do not become literal flesh and blood in some sort of transmutation . I assume the title of kingdom hall was derived from the belief that they are in some way preserving people for the kingdom of the heavens . Not sure on that one . Never asked .
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  daniel-p

  "they seem to be the only religion that tries to make sense out of all that"
  
  This is a distinct feature of the WT Society. They pride themselves in explaining the ENTIRE Bible. The only thing they admit they don't know is what the Bible does not "elaborate" on.
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  heathen

  daniel-p ---- It would seem that they use alot of dogma , so once you convince people you have some sort of insight that others are lacking you don't really need to prove what you are saying is a fact . They did kinda lose me on that 2300 days then say a prophetic year is still 360 days . I mean jeeze isn't 2300 days 2300 days the same as then and now ? Then they claim an assembly about organization is proof ? I mean jeeze that's a little hard to put down .
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  corproal

  heathen,

  Actually I am not a catholic.I see many similarities between JW's and Catholics,both teach that no one can understand the Bible without their help.I just have a hard time swallowing the watch towers line of reasoning especially considering what hypocrites they are.

  An example is them constantly referring to elders as being imperfect men but yet in the same breath being quick to disfellowship a weak brother or sister.

  Craig
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  corproal

  heathen,

  I don't believe as the Catholics that they are calling Jesus out of heaven and actually drinking his blood.
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  heathen

  corpoal --- I started out as a catholic myself and there is no way I believe that crap . To actually drink human blood would have been against mosaic law . It's clear it's symbolic to me . I think the catholic church is very messed up in it's beliefs .