My parents talked quite a few studies into coming to Memorial, over the years. Everybody watched everybody else like hawks. The poor confused studies would reach for the wine and the whole Hall would make like, one collective HISS! The deer-in-the-headlights study would whisper, "Am I doing something wrong? Am I supposed to pass it on?" and would be firmly corrected. Funny, I don't recall any of them coming back the next year.
Lords evening meal/last supper
by cyberdyne systems 101 23 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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tall penguin
The memorial was always the most stressful night for me as I was worried that someone I'd invited might partake and I'd have the judgment of every congregation member and elder. My stomach would be in knots and it would take me a good 12 hours afterwards to wind down. Ahhh, the memories.
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MidwichCuckoo
Not sure what you mean here MidwichCuckoo. Could you elaborate?
Yes - some of the 'Annointed' 'claim' that they have knowledge that is not yet readily available to the GB or to the Dubs (else it would be considered Apostacy).
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Lo-ru-hamah
It is interresting that this subject should come up. My family and I have been doing quite a bit of research into this. In Luke 22:14-20 Jesus instituted the New Covenant. This was his blood covenant and he did not make a distinction as to who should partake "keep doing this in remembrance of me." Later, in Luke 22:28 & 29 Jesus instituted another covenant with his disciples, the Kingdom Covenant. It says "However, you are the ones that have stuck with me in my trials; 29 and I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom, at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones to judge the twelve tribes of Israel." If then you cross reference this you will find it again mentioned at Revelation 5:10 "and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth." The WTS has linked those two covenants together as one but in actuallity Jesus distinguished the two as seperate. The WTS has done this in order for all to look to them as the mediator and try to emphasize their importantance and that only through them would the rest of the world be saved. Hence, in doing so they have taken Jesus' position of authority and Kingship. So, we have come to the conclusion that everyone who believes in Jesus and believes that his blood is what covers over our sins should partake because they are part of the new covenant.
Does this make sense to anyone else?
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heathen
From what I've seen they changed some things in the last 10yrs. For instance they now believe the great crowd can be anointed with holy spirit . That being the case then why not allow them to partake of the emblems ? They do allow anyone to partake but will insist only those of the "heavenly " calling do it . They use alot of scripture about Gods spirit and the spirit imparted to humans being in union and such as proof . You can only approve of yourself anyways , them telling you that you are not worthy is wrong .1st corinthians 11 gives details about how to observe this thing . Here tho the belief was that if you were not whole souled about christian obligations you could eat and drink judgement against yourself which would lead to sickness and death but then he also mentions that when they are judged they are disciplined by God and are not condemned with the world .
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Narkissos
Midwich,
That doesn't tell much but I guess you are referring to a specific (nut)case... of course there are.
Heathen...
they now believe the great crowd can be anointed with holy spirit .
Huh? Benefits of the help, guidance or whatever of the HS, but I doubt very much they would say "anointed". -
MidwichCuckoo
Narkissos - I have had a recent encounter with one of the 'Annointed' - who told me that the Remnant have special gifts. Some of Prophesy, some of Healing and some of Interpretation. He said his was Interpretation. I asked why he wasn't on the GB/Bethel in that case. He said that what HE knew NOW would be going against the Society.
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Narkissos
MC,
By the WT understanding the "gifts" of prophecy, healing or interpretation all ended with the apostolic age. This "anointed one" is probably a soon-to-be "apostate" -- but he can be a nutcase all the same. Did he give you a glimpse of his "interpretations"?
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heathen
Narkisos --- I was on a different thread and blondie posted some info on a 96 publication that did say something to the effect that the great crowd can be filled with holy spirit . Don't remember which thread it was but you can PM blondie and I'm sure she can dig it up again .I was shocked to see it myself because I have studied their publications and they always insisted that the great crowd could not receive holy spirit for some stupid reason . The prophesy was that " in the last days I will pour out my spirit on all flesh." acts 2:18 . It's hard to understand but I really don't think the women in the first century were in the kings and priests class but did receive holy spirit regardless . My belief is that only those that die as martyrs can be considered worthy of the co - rulership position anyway . It's apparent in the first century the belief was that if you died of old age or natural causes it was because you had sinned . IMO
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Apostate Kate
John 6:53 - So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you;
Every time I ask a JW to explain this one to me it throws them into a state of cognitive dissonence. So this means that only the 144,000 are allowed to have life in them.