IDEA For A NEW Watchtower Related Website

by West70 29 Replies latest jw friends

  • West70
    West70

    As has been previously pointed out, international copyright law is extremely complex, and interpreting such is a specialty. Therefore, I do not claim that the following "idea" for a new Watchtower related website will comply with international copyright laws, but it just might.

    Possibly, at this point in time, there is a need for a new DISCUSSION BOARD website, which specializes in discussing what the WBTS has previously published on various topics.

    To maintain focus, this new DISCUSSION BOARD would need to be heavily moderated, and only "admitted members" would be permitted to post answers to "inquiries", which could be posted in a separate public section which is open to any poster.

    Moderators could sort through the "public section" for answerable topics, and then move selected threads to the "moderated section", where "admitted members" could post answers to the public's inquiry.

    For example, some concerned citizen might post in the open, public section:

    "What has the Watchtower Society written on so-and-so topic?"

    After that inquiry has been moved to the moderated section, "admitted members" would then be allowed to post various excerpts from old Watchtower publcations.

    Moderators would want to make certain that such excerpts are accurate in both content and formatt; as well as properly date sequenced. BOLDING and COLORED would also seem appropriate, so that readers do not confuse the excerpt with the one or two lines of "commentary" that each "admitted member" would want to include directly below each excerpt. Moderators could make sure that such commentary is neither too little nor too much.

    A good operating "Search" page, as well as an up-to-date "Browse Topics" page would help site visitors to quickly find the info they are seeking.

    Maybe the name of this new website could be:

    WHAT DOES THE WATCHTOWER SAY?

    WWW.WATCHTOWERSAYS.CRAP

  • heathen
    heathen

    Yah , too bad the WTBTS didn't supply that info on their site . past and present dogma on all thier beliefs . I don't even think most of the members are aware of the flip flops .

  • DannyBloem
    DannyBloem

    Or a site that looks exactly like the official site and pretents to be the real site, with only the lowest of their crap on it....
    semi-funny.

  • AuldSoul
    AuldSoul

    West70,

    This is an excellent idea.

    Moderators would want to make certain that such excerpts are accurate in both content and formatt; as well as properly date sequenced.

    One suggestion here: On some topics, date sequencing would not achieve the maximum impact. For instance, crazies recently posted a thread that contained, among many articles, a 1993 Awake! claiming they never said they spoke Jehovah's words right next to a 1979 Watchtower that said exactly what they wrote they never said.

    Simple Proof of WTS claims to be "Inspired" Prophet

    I would think such direct contradictions should be prominently noted, and perhaps the balance of comments could be quoted in chronological order.

    Respectfully,
    AuldSoul

  • West70
    West70

    Yes, since different topical questions might require different sequencing for maximum understanding, the "heavy moderation" could allow the moderators to decide how posts will be ordered, etc.

    However, BOLDING, COLOR, FORMATTING, etc should be standardized so that viewers can easily determine what words are introductory material; what words are Watchtower Excerpts; and what words are poster commentary.

    Assuming that the moderators have moved an inquiry into the response section, and that initial post asks:

    "What did the Watchtower say on racial discrimination in the early 1900s?"

    Here is a sample post that would answer this inquiry:

  • West70
    West70

    In the April 1, 1914 issue of the Watch Tower magazine, the Watch Tower Society said:

    THE COLOR LINE FOUND NECESSARY

    "WE might have anticipated that many colored people would be deeply interested in THE PHOTO-DRAMA OF CREATION. But it did not impress itself upon us until gradually their number increased to about twenty-five per cent. of the whole audience. Of course, we were glad to see them, glad that they were interested in the DRAMA. We had the same feeling respecting them as others; but it was quickly discerned that it was not a case of feeling, but that, whereas the colored people of New York City are about five per cent of the population, in our audiences they are about twenty-five per cent, and the number increasing. What shall we do? As the attendance of the colored people would increase, proportionately the number of the whites would decrease; for explain it how we will, a majority of whites prefer not to intermingle closely with other races.

    "Recognizing that it meant either the success or the failure of the enterprise of the DRAMA as respects the whites, we have been compelled to assign the colored friends to the gallery, which, however, is just as good for seeing and hearing as any other part of The Temple. Some were offended at this arrangement.

    "We have received numerous letters from the colored friends, some claiming that it is not right to make a difference, others indignantly and bitterly denouncing us as enemies of the colored people. Some, confident that Brother Russell had never sanctioned such a discrimination, told that they believe it would be duty to stand up for equal rights and always to help the oppressed, etc. We were obliged to explain the facts, assuring all of our loving interest in the colored people, and of our desire to do them good, and not injury. We again suggested that if a suitable place could be found in which the DRAMA could be presented for the benefit of the colored people alone, we would be glad to make such arrangements, or to co-operate with any others in doing so.

    "Our explanations were apparently entirely satisfactory to all of the fully consecrated. To these we explained that it is a question of putting either the interests of God's Cause first, or else the interests of the race first. We believed it our duty to put God first and the Truth first-- at any cost to others or to ourself! We explained that we thought that all the colored brethren should know our attitude toward them--they should know that we love to serve them in any way possible and to give them the very best we have to give of the Gospel Message; and that it is only a question of whether our giving to them in one way would deprive us of giving the Truth to others.

    "Some who were still tenacious and quarrelsome we merely reminded of our Lord's declaration that in inviting visitors into the house it is the place of the host to say where they shall sit, and then we showed them the parable of the man who chose the chief seat of honor and was given a lower one.

    "In answer to the query as to how our course of conduct squared with the Golden Rule, we replied that it squares exactly. We would wish others to put God first. If our personal interests are or ever have been in conflict with the real and apparently best interests of the Lord's Cause, it is a part of our consecration vow to ignore our interests in favor of the interests of the Lord's Cause. This is what we mean by the declaration that we are dead to self and alive to our God as New Creatures.

    "We reminded one dear sister that the Lord enjoins humility, and assures us that unless we humble ourselves we shall not be exalted. If nature favors the colored brethren and sisters in the exercise of humility it is that much to their advantage, if they are rightly exercised by it. A little while, and our humility will work out for our good. A little while, and those who shall have been faithful to their Covenant of Sacrifice will be granted new bodies, spiritual, beyond the veil, where color and sex distinctions will be no more. A little while, and the Millennial Kingdom will be inaugurated, which will bring Restitution to all mankind--restitution to the perfection of mind and body, feature and color, to the grand original standard, which God declared "very good," and which was lost for a time through sin, but which is soon to be restored by the powerful Kingdom of Messiah."

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    Poster's Commentary:

    I think the Watchtower Society is stupid, and everything they publish is stupid, including this excuse for segregating Afro-Americans.

  • West70
    West70

    I would suggest that a much lighter shade of yellow be standardized for the standard portion of each post designated "Poster Commentary".

  • NewLight2
    NewLight2

    Yellow on white background should never be used, as it is very, very hard to read!

    NewLight2

  • heathen
    heathen

    I agree yellow is too hard to read , very bad idea . I also agree that article is a pile of rubbish . Rather than work to end racist comments and attitudes they were actually trying to accomodate it. I think a letter should have gone out to the white people stating there was no cause or justification for their thinking . That's ancient history tho , it has no bearing on the way they operate now .

  • AuldSoul
    AuldSoul

    How's this? In the April 1, 1914 issue of the Watch Tower magazine, the Watch Tower Society said:

    THE COLOR LINE FOUND NECESSARY

    "WE might have anticipated that many colored people would be deeply interested in THE PHOTO-DRAMA OF CREATION. But it did not impress itself upon us until gradually their number increased to about twenty-five per cent. of the whole audience. Of course, we were glad to see them, glad that they were interested in the DRAMA. We had the same feeling respecting them as others; but it was quickly discerned that it was not a case of feeling, but that, whereas the colored people of New York City are about five per cent of the population, in our audiences they are about twenty-five per cent, and the number increasing. What shall we do? As the attendance of the colored people would increase, proportionately the number of the whites would decrease; for explain it how we will, a majority of whites prefer not to intermingle closely with other races.

    "Recognizing that it meant either the success or the failure of the enterprise of the DRAMA as respects the whites, we have been compelled to assign the colored friends to the gallery, which, however, is just as good for seeing and hearing as any other part of The Temple. Some were offended at this arrangement.

    "We have received numerous letters from the colored friends, some claiming that it is not right to make a difference, others indignantly and bitterly denouncing us as enemies of the colored people. Some, confident that Brother Russell had never sanctioned such a discrimination, told that they believe it would be duty to stand up for equal rights and always to help the oppressed, etc. We were obliged to explain the facts, assuring all of our loving interest in the colored people, and of our desire to do them good, and not injury. We again suggested that if a suitable place could be found in which the DRAMA could be presented for the benefit of the colored people alone, we would be glad to make such arrangements, or to co-operate with any others in doing so.

    "Our explanations were apparently entirely satisfactory to all of the fully consecrated. To these we explained that it is a question of putting either the interests of God's Cause first, or else the interests of the race first. We believed it our duty to put God first and the Truth first-- at any cost to others or to ourself! We explained that we thought that all the colored brethren should know our attitude toward them--they should know that we love to serve them in any way possible and to give them the very best we have to give of the Gospel Message; and that it is only a question of whether our giving to them in one way would deprive us of giving the Truth to others.

    "Some who were still tenacious and quarrelsome we merely reminded of our Lord's declaration that in inviting visitors into the house it is the place of the host to say where they shall sit, and then we showed them the parable of the man who chose the chief seat of honor and was given a lower one.

    "In answer to the query as to how our course of conduct squared with the Golden Rule, we replied that it squares exactly. We would wish others to put God first. If our personal interests are or ever have been in conflict with the real and apparently best interests of the Lord's Cause, it is a part of our consecration vow to ignore our interests in favor of the interests of the Lord's Cause. This is what we mean by the declaration that we are dead to self and alive to our God as New Creatures.

    "We reminded one dear sister that the Lord enjoins humility, and assures us that unless we humble ourselves we shall not be exalted. If nature favors the colored brethren and sisters in the exercise of humility it is that much to their advantage, if they are rightly exercised by it. A little while, and our humility will work out for our good. A little while, and those who shall have been faithful to their Covenant of Sacrifice will be granted new bodies, spiritual, beyond the veil, where color and sex distinctions will be no more. A little while, and the Millennial Kingdom will be inaugurated, which will bring Restitution to all mankind--restitution to the perfection of mind and body, feature and color, to the grand original standard, which God declared "very good," and which was lost for a time through sin, but which is soon to be restored by the powerful Kingdom of Messiah."


    Paragraph Poster's Commentary:

    Paragraph I think the Watchtower Society is stupid, and everything they publish is stupid, including this excuse for segregating Afro-Americans.

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