Jesus had a Twin Proof!!!

by skyman 68 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • skyman
    skyman


    What you say is only your opion, your opion does not take away the fact that at the time of Jesus the Romans talk in great detail about his life and also when Constantine was making the Chruch they had to decide which Christ was going to be thier GOD (Christ) All you have to do is take the time to look at the refferrences to see this. For exsample I bought the book THE FIVE GOSPELS that allso pointed some of this out. I went to a local historian that has written many books about the Chrstian Religion Fruad in his lybrary he showed me some of the texts that prove Jesus had a Roman name as well and the Romans follow his life in detail. Plus the man showed me proof that Josephus id not write history of Jesus but that it was added hunderds of years later.

    There is something here guys ignore it if you want. I took the time to see if there was information that proves the Romans wrote about Jesus. They did. As regards the Book Bible fruad it was just a stepping stone to open my eyes.

  • peacefulpete
    peacefulpete

    Since there is not a single contemporary reference to the Jesus of the NT in Roman records that would be quite a conclusion to draw. As for Josephus, I am of the view that both the James the high priest and TJ passages are Christian interpolations and/or rewording. So even this offers no support for the conclusions drawn by the author. These are opinions yes, but well thought out and researched ones. All the best.

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    skyman.....On a prior thread (http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/103344/1.ashx), I queried you on the source of your dreadful "information" on the AD 325 Council of Nicea and you said, in effect, that it was true and can easily be found in a college library. I regularly read early Christian sources and what you described bore no resemblance at all with the known facts, and I was at a loss at what could have misled you so thoroughly about the Council of Nicea. I could only guess a fringe conspiracy-oriented book, as Dan Brown's Da Vinci Code similarly blunders the history of Nicea. Well, now I guess I now know your unique source.... it is The Bible Fraud, by Tony Bushby. I am amused that such fabrications can be accepted as factually true (and not being a Christian, I have no stake in this matter at all), but I would urge you to go beyond this book and research for yourself with PRIMARY SOURCES what the actual history is. I am not against critical inquiry into the origins of Christianity (as anyone would know from my posts), I am against poor (and possibly dishonest) scholarship.

  • Shining One
    Shining One

    >I can show you just as many post here is one for exsample. http://www.rense.com/general66/hide.htm What you have to ask yourself does the person have something he is trying to protect? One must be completly open mind with no bias.

    First of all, motive is not the determining factor in any argument. The determining factor is the viability of the argument itself. Secondly, no one has a 'completely open mind with no bias'. Your post itself is an opinion formed by whatever book or website you referenced. It was not an independent decision drawn from research. You believe it because it fits your own bias.
    Rex

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    Who is this "local historian" who wrote all these books?

    And if you want to substantiate any of these claims (such as the agenda of the Council of Nicea, or its attendees, or that Judas lost out to Jesus by 4 votes from becoming the "god" of Christianity, etc.), please cite evidence from ancient sources and let's discuss it.

  • skyman
    skyman

    If you don't believe this may be you should PM MerryMagdalene and ask her she drives by his place everytime she comes to town the man just built a new building about a 1/2 mile down from the Morman Chruch also PM Stihlman he knows the guy also. Plus if my other friend that lurks here all the time tand is now laughing his ass off would post he would verify it also because he was the person that first took me to the mans home and that turned me on to all of these ideas. Or you could read the above link and the author touches on it read for yourself at http://www.rense.com/general66/hide.htm

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    Here is a webpage that Roger Pearse put together to counter the many internet myths about what happened at Nicaea:

    http://www.tertullian.org/rpearse/nicaea.html

    It assembles every piece of data written about it up to 150 years afterwards. Pearse also writes: "The idea that the canon was discussed at Nicaea is no older than Voltaire, and relies on a misreading of a passage in the Vetus Synodicon (a 9th century work), itself the earliest text to even suggest it. These myths are a nuisance to everyone, friend and foe. You've been
    led astray (no doubt in good faith) by it; I don't see how anyone benefits from circulating the wrong raw facts, whatever opinions we hold."

    You may also want to take a look at the wikipedia page on the Council:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicea

    Compare that with the farcical depiction of the Council in Bushby's book (summarized by Robert Adams):

    When Emperor Constantine conquered the East in 324, he sent his Spanish religious advisor, Osius of Cordoba, to Alexandria with letters to several Biscops exhorting them to make peace among their own. But the mission failed and Constantine, probably at the suggestions of Osius, then issued a decree commanding all Presbyters and their subordinates "be mounted on asses, mules and horses belonging to the public and travel to the city of Nicaea" in the Roman province of Bithymia, the country of Asia. The Presbyters were instructed by the Emperor to bring with them the manuscripts from which they orated to the rabble (that's us!) "wrapped and bound in leather". Constantine saw in this developing system of belief the opportunity to make a combined state religion and protect it by law. The first general church council was thus convened and the year was 325.

    On 21 June, the day of the Summer Solstice, (and under those cult conditions) a total of 2048 "presbyters, deacons, sub-deacons, acolytes and exorcists" gathered at Nicaea to decide what Christianity really was, what it would be, what writings were to be used and who was to be it's God.

    Ancient church evidence established that a new 'god' was to be approved by the Roman Emperor and an earlier attempt (circa 210) to deify either Judas Khrestus or his twin brother Rabbi Jesus (or somebody else) had been 'declined'. Therefore, as late as 325, the Christian religion did not have an official god.

    After a long and bitter debate, a vote was finally taken and it was with a majority show of hands that Judas Khrestus and Rabbi Jesus both became God (161 votes for and 157 votes against). The Emperor effectively joined elements of the two individual life stories of the twin brothers into a singular creation. The doctrine of the Celtic / British church of the west was democratically attached to the Presbyters stories of the east.

    A deification ceremony was then performed 'Apotheosis'. Thus the deified ones were then called 'saviours' and looked upon as gods. Temples, altars, and images with attributes of divinity were then erected and public holidays proclaimed on their birthdays.

  • skyman
    skyman

    Also to respond new ideas does take takes time no matter how much proof you have. The post here is about the twin of Jesus is it not and the bible that is used even though 82% saying of Jesus is not Jesus at all The Book THE FIVE GOSPELS OF CHRIST says this in its introduction. Also the The Bible Fruad says the earlier chruch did not know which Christ would be the Chruches new God or Christ and the Book gives refferences for this as the link above mentions part of. And yes I saw it, in many different Old Books that the historian had in his lybrary. He was a major Historian for the Morman Church before his was booted out but before they did it to him he copied many books proving just what I have stated. Have MerryMagdalene go and talk to him and see what she has to say.

  • skyman
    skyman

    Good night all I am going to bed. Open your minds that all I ask. I find it so hard that the Jesus of the Bible that we know has no mention in the history of the Romans but another Man that had a Twin is mentioned in detail. This man lived at the exstact time of Jesus and changed the world according to the Romans, but the Romans failed to mention Jesus by the name we know him by. Also Jophesus writing that is the Grammer and style of writing points to an later time of writing by some one adding to his writings, is proof enough for many. That is he did not write about Jesus at all.

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia
    If you don't believe this may be you should PM MerryMagdalene and ask her she drives by his place everytime she comes to town the man just built a new building about a 1/2 mile down from the Morman Chruch also PM Stihlman he knows the guy also.

    I don't doubt that there is some guy out there who turned you on to this. That's not what I care about. What I want is some substantiation of the unhistorical claims made by Bushby. Please cite the ancient primary sources that supposedly back up Bushby's claims and let's discuss them. Otherwise, I see no reason to regard them as anything other than imaginative inventions.

    Also the The Bible Fruad says the earlier chruch did not know which Christ would be the Chruches new God or Christ and the Book gives refferences for this as the link above mentions part of.

    Great. Please give some of them for us to discuss.

    And yes I saw it, in many different Old Books that the historian had in his lybrary. He was a major Historian for the Morman Church before his was booted out but before they did it to him he copied many books proving just what I have stated.

    I asked who this historian was since you said he was a published author.

    Open your minds that all I ask.

    No...my issue is not failing to have an open mind but disliking junk scholarship. Aren't you curious at all how The Bible Fraud got the history of Nicaea so woefully wrong?

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