Most pagans don't believe in the three-fold law. ; Some do. ; Most do believe in this law: ; If it harms none, do what thou will. ; That has no cause and effect involved. ; Some pagans do believe in karma, I do, for instance, but its a very controversial belief within pagans and hotly debated whether it "belongs." ; As to Crowley, he was the person that brought wicca or paganism to the attention of the public, but I would not say that he is any messiah. ; Not all pagans even hold to the god and goddess (essential to his belief). ; As a Dianic pagan I hold to the goddess. ; Pagans in general are very tolerant people (not all). ; We don't recruit (proseletyze) nor do we try to tell others what to believe.
As a Pagan I don't see a need for your history lesson, but thanks.
Nice strawman argument. I never said most Pagans believe in the three-fold law. I said most Wiccans do. You're debating like if someone says Catholics believe something, then all Christians do. I never said that. I said Wiccans, not Pagans.
And again, for like the fifth time, I didn't say Crowley was a messiah or a Wiccan. Crowley was one of the people who trained Gardener. Gardener learned from Crowley and took rituals from the Golden Dawn and so forth, watered them down, and made them much more simplistic.
Yeah, I know Pagans don't all believe in "the goddess" because it's more stuff somebody invented. There was no "the goddess" until the last century. I never believed in "the goddess."
So enough with the history lessons. I'm not stupid or uneducated in this area of knowledge.
I fail to see the connection with christianity. ; It seems the only vague connection is a belief in a higher power. ; As a stretch you could say that christians are wannabe pagans, so many of their beliefs (including many found in the bible) have pagan origins.
Yeah, I kind of said that too. How is it that so many people totally missed the entire point of my post so completely?
Let me dumb it down for you, okay?
Christians - took beliefs from the Pagans. Dislike/hate Pagans. Acts superior to everyone else. Try to be really moral but do the same dumb stuff everyone else does or worse.
Wiccans - took beliefs and rituals from Golden Dawn, OTO, Crowley, etc, but in general dislike ceremonial magic and Crowley(in fact, tend to act scared of him). Also tend to act superior(and this is from personal experience, almost every Wiccan I've met has acted arrogant and superior). Try to be more liberal and openminded than Christians, yet are held back by the same sense of morality most of the time.
You can dispute this all you want, but I've been there, I've seen it. I was building my own Pagan church. I still have the web domain www.churchofpaganunity.org which I gave up on for various reasons. I can give you a link to the original site and you can see what I wrote on the page, the Kemetic flowchart I created, and so on. Kemetic because that's what I was, a Kemetic. (Oh no, a Kemetic judging Wiccans!)
Does any of this make sense yet or do I have to keep explaining?
