Do bethelites get social security?

by sleepy 18 Replies latest jw friends

  • RedhorseWoman
    RedhorseWoman
    I would also also assume that if they do not pay taxes on these earnings, they will not accrue credits toward a later social security pension while working at Bethel.

    And, of course, these poor schmucks figure they'll be living the high life in the New System long before they would ever have a need to worry about retirement.

    What a screwing! At least the churches in "Babylon the Great" provide something for their ministers and priests when retirement rolls around. Not the WTBTS.....and they could easily afford to.

  • GinnyTosken
    GinnyTosken

    Blondie,

    I had the impression that the vow of poverty was a recent change. I was never a Bethelite, so I don't know for sure. I'm nosing around on the net, trying to find some of the posts from H2O in which we discussed the impact of the reorganization shortly after it occurred. Meanwhile, I did find an article in Christianity Today with a quote from Ray Franz. Perhaps he is only referring to how things changed in Germany:

    Franz added that in Germany, the government ordered the Witnesses to provide severance pay to staff members. "Now when people apply [to join the staff], they sign a vow of poverty, which frees [the WTBTS] from having to treat the person as an employee," he said.

    from http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2001/004/25.html

    Ginny

  • blondie
    blondie

    Of course, I'm speaking only about the Bethelites in the US...different tax laws in different countries. In order to avoid paying personal income tax on the monetary value of their room and board and allowance, they had to sign a vow of poverty and I can remember being told this as long ago as 1981. There are several ex-Bethelites from various eras posting here, I wonder what they remember.

  • JT
    JT

    bLONDIE SAYS:

    remember being told this as long ago as 1981. There are several ex-Bethelites from various eras posting here, I wonder what they remember

    ##########

    o yea it CURTAILED THE OPEN G-JOBBING

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=7081&site=3#86924

  • Maximus
    Maximus

    In its June 2, 1999 letter to bodies of elders in the U.S., the Society addressed the issue of aging traveling overseers.

    "Each year a number of brothers and sisters find that they are no longer able ... some are advanced in age and have served for man, many years.... some are widows whose deceased husband had been serving as traveling overseers."

    They suggest Social Security for those who had worked PRIOR to being on the road. I believe one still has to work 40 quarters (10 years) to qualify for regular SS benefits. "Others have believing relatives who care for them ..."

    "However, in many cases, the Society gives support to such ones with a long record of faithful service by providing health-care services and a modest monthly reimbursement for housing and other expenses, up to $430 a month each."

    If a KH adds an apartment that will be used for the use of a traveling overseer, and "if a loan from the Society's Kingdom Hall Fund is approved, the Society may care for a portion of this expense."

    You can write the Society about such issues, Attention: Health Care Support. The Service Desk handling this at the time of that letter was Desk SDO.

    I have mixed emotions about this, happy that some arrangement was made, but understanding clearly that most are subjected to a meager existence that in some cases has been downright pitiful. I know, I've talked to many of them who sincerely trusted the organization who told them the end was right around the corner.

    Maximus

  • Francois
    Francois

    Friends of mine were JW missionaries in Guatemala. The society urged them - in very strong language - to GIVE UP their American citizenship. Give up, as in RENOUNCE! Can you imagine what that would have meant to them?

    Couldn't come back.
    Weren't eligible for any old age assistance from the gummint. And the society surely wasn't going to pay them anything.

    As it turns out, my friend lost his vision due to diabetes. But he came to his senses and left the Jay-Dubs. He now lives on social security disability, which he wouldn't have gotten if he'd renounced his citizenship. And if he'd have stayed in Guatemala and had lost his vision down there, what do you think the Borg would have done with him?

    That's right Kemo Sabe, they would have disgarded him like an old shoe.

    Francois

  • metatron
    metatron

    Retirement in Bethel used to mean they stick you on the
    tour route in "Sleepy Hollow" (the dept that sticks
    renewal notices by hand in the magazines)

    These poor guys ended up as the lowest of the low.

    Lotsa Luck

    Metatron

  • HoChiMin
    HoChiMin

    How about health insurance for Bethelites? If they leave their given an exit physical exam what happens if a grave illness is found and they wait to tell you only after your insurance has expired? Now that would save them some money wouldn't it.

    It happens folks.

    HCM

  • Tanalyst
    Tanalyst

    I left before "vow of poverty era". According to Social Security - my full yrs. as a freebie WT. slave - my taxed Social Security Earnings are as follows:

    1975-$1873.00
    1976-$1090.00
    1977-$1570.00
    1978-$1637.00

    Wt. paid my SS tax those years.

    Retiring at age 62 I'd get $631.00 per month
    " " 66 & 4 months -$912.00 "
    " " 70 $1214.00

    Assuming you retire at Bethel you live like a king in your old age- no bills, free food, shelter. However your depressed as heck realizing you wasted your life in a scam religion and drink your SS check away each month.

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