Why can't I get over it already?

by schne_belly 20 Replies latest jw friends

  • schne_belly
    schne_belly

    Why...I feel more loved and self worth already!

    Brooke-- thanks for the invite. I would love to come. We will just be getting back from a vacation that weekend though....so I'll have to see.

    Benny K--- you and your wife are 2 of the people that have greatly helped my husband and I through all of this. Thank you....

    Bav--- Yes, I actually have relation in the West Bend, West Allis area. I will keep you posted when we are the area...I'd enjoy meeting you. I've heard many good things about you from Peaceful Pete and Econaut. You do the same when you are in OUR area too

  • greendawn
    greendawn

    The JWs are not capable of understanding that someone can reject and leave the WTS and still love and serve God. Why? Because they were mind conditioned to identify God with the WTS. If you reject the WTS you reject God.

    Those friends are old attachments you have to abandon, and get on with developing the new ones that you mention above.

  • Apostate Kate
    Apostate Kate

    It really does get better from this point on. You will not get those urges to reach out to them as often as time passes. You will make new friends to refill those empty places left in your precious heart. I still think about the friends I left behind. So much time has passed that I can barely remember thier full names anymore. I recently contacted one through her ex husband since her number had changed. I got a few hang ups after that but no call back. It's ok cause I have a full life now.

    I guess we will always wonder if they are still in and knocking on doors for a hopeful salvation at Armageddon. It has been a decade for me. uuhhhhg I have to go to a function where a family member who is still a JW will be sure to shun me. She is horrible! Snooty, prude, hateful, mean...she actually told her mother in law (JW) that it was her fault her husband (JW) had blown his head off a few years ago. Lovely lady huh....oh yeah and the best part of it is her (the snotty one) her husband (JW) gave the loaded gun to the father knowing he was depressed! I will not even go into what she did to my sister who was her sister in law. She is held in high esteem in the local Kingdom Hall.

    These people for friends, no thanks, I will take the shunning calmly knowing that the friends I have now are forever friends who love me just the way I am.

  • schne_belly
    schne_belly

    Awwww, you all are the best!

    Thanks for all the words of advice and encouragement, it's great help. I know it just takes time and I have to be patient. Eventually, I hope, these hurt feelings and memories will fade. Even though they were good memories ( most of them) I need to let go. It's the past.... something that I can't change. What I do have power over is the future.

    Sometimes I expect too much too soon. I've only been officially out of the org for 9 months or so.... I have 22 years of life in the org to recover from.

    Thanks for listening......

  • greendawn
    greendawn

    It will not be long before you get over those past attachments you had, you are young and your life is still ahead of you, soon the JW org will be like a flash in the pan.

  • jeanniebeanz
    jeanniebeanz

    I actually did get up the courage to call a former "friend" once. I'll never do it again. She was cold and distant and basically hung up on me. We had been 'best friends' for over 10 years. I don't recommend it unless you want your heart shredded, crapped on and then handed back to you in a used kleenex.

    Jean

  • m. kirov
    m. kirov

    Schne,

    You are a good person. I know for a fact my niece and nephew adore you. My little sister thinks you kick *shasta* (I'm trying to cut down on swearing. this is my psuedo swearword). I wish I had been as responsible and, well, grounded when i was your age. Of course this hurts. It will sting a little for a bit. You're in my prayers kiddo!

    oh, and if you forget who I am...I got to visit w/ you this summer and last spring around the Memorial

  • tijkmo
    tijkmo
    Should I continue to call and bug them….and FORCE them to tell me to lay off. I really hate throwing myself at people though.

    Should I just give up on them, like it appears they have done to me?

    i have lost count of the number of times i have had this conversation in my head....

    becoming less frequent lately tho

    until it becomes more frequent again

  • Frannie Banannie
    Frannie Banannie
    Estrangement from the community of believers - the focus of social life for most members of restrictive religious groups- compounds the former member’s isolation and despair.

    The above-encapsulated is an excerpt from the following posted on a past thread..........hope this helps. Frannie

    Part 1:

    Psychological Issues of Former Members of Restrictive Religious Groups

    Jim Moyers, MA, MFT

    (While this article was originally written for psychotherapists working with ex-fundamentalists, it should be helpful for anyone who has been involved with a restrictive religious group.)

    Restrictive religious groups, characterized by rigid beliefs, authoritarian structure, rejection of mainstream culture, and a tendency to isolate their members from outside influences that might lead to questions about the group's teachings, come in many forms from fringe cults to well established churches.

    While the experience of individuals involved with so-called cults that clearly deviate from established religious practice has been extensively discussed in both popular and professional literature, there is relatively little recognition of the similar issues presented by those affiliated with more restrictive forms of mainstream religion such as can be found in Christian fundamentalism.

    Shattered Faith

    There are many people who find membership in such groups to be a positive experience. This article is not so much concerned with them as it is with those who, often after a great deal of inner turmoil, leave such groups. Many, especially those who had been intensely involved with their religion, experience what has been called the "shattered faith syndrome" (Yao, 1987). Having lost faith in what was once a primary source of meaning and guidance, the former believer is apt to feel lost and overwhelmed.

    Estrangement from the community of believers - the focus of social life for most members of restrictive religious groups- compounds the former member’s isolation and despair. The psychological effect of membership in a restrictive religious group often persists long after the outward severing of ties. There may be a chronic sense of dissatisfaction coupled with difficulty in finding new sources of meaning and direction.

    Former members are apt to distrust their own judgment, and may feel despair in their inability to recapture the certainty that they once experienced in unquestioningly accepting the group's teachings. Fundamentalist groups tend to view pride in oneself as sinful. This is internalised as the persistently negative self-image that is apparent in many ex-believers.

    Sexual inhibitions, compulsions, frustration, and guilt are liable to linger on long after negative beliefs about sex have been consciously rejected. Having been taught to regard every impulse as potentially evil, the former group member may have little tolerance for spontaneity and lack the means for genuine self-expression.

    Conditioned distrust of the world outside the community of believers coupled with the experience of disillusionment with teachings that once seemed infallible can present serious obstacles to joining any group or making lasting commitments.

    Issues Of the Former Member in Psychotherapy

    Ex-members of restrictive religious groups RARELY COME INTO THERAPY WITH THEIR RELIGIOUS PAST AS THE PRESENTING ISSUE. They are of course subject to the same pathogenic factors as everyone else: such a background is not an all-inclusive explanation for every problem a former member may present. But as the work of therapy proceeds, unresolved conflicts involving past beliefs sometimes become apparent.

    Religious conflicts should always be approached from a carefully neutral position. The therapist must walk a fine line between the traditional psychoanalytic bias against religion as pathological on one hand and naiveté about the potential of some religious systems for undermining a healthy sense of self on the other. Even though the client may claim to have rejected her or his former beliefs, the therapist should remain neutral.

    Emphasizing negative aspects of a once strongly held way of being in the world might trigger defence of something with which the client is still unconsciously identified. Criticism of past beliefs may be misconstrued as criticism of the client for having believed them.

    There may be shame in having once accepted as true things that now seem untenable. The former member should be encouraged to look at the positive as well as negative aspects of having belonged to a restrictive religious group. It is often helpful to approach the involvement as a developmental stage that was important, in ways both good and bad, in shaping the individual's life. As with any other developmental stage, the restrictive belief system was eventually outgrown. But unlike most other life stages, there is rarely a readily apparent next stage for the former believer to move on to. This is especially true with groups that actively discourage awareness of other systems of thought and lifestyles.

    Group members may know nothing about other religions, the humanities, or modern critical thought. Education in schools operated by the group, where all ideas are filtered through the shared belief system, tends to increase social and cultural isolation. Thus the former member may be unaware of alternative approaches to spiritual and existential questions. Support for spiritual and philosophical explorations, in contrast to the limits set by the former belief system, will help validate the client's capacity for independent thought. Without the unequivocal pronouncements that once guided them, former members of restrictive groups are apt to feel lost and confused.

    In any transition, there is a naturally occurring period of time between the collapses of old beliefs and their replacement by a new set of guiding principles. Kuhn's (1970) account of the disorientation that occurs when a scientific viewpoint once thought to be definitive fails to fit emergent facts can be applied to the similar confusion that comes with shifts in religious belief.

    Bridge's (1980) concept of an "empty" middle phase in transitions is also helpful in normalizing the ex-believer's sense of confusion and inner emptiness as a natural part of the process of moving beyond outmoded views about self and the world.

    The tenets of a restrictive religious group serve as the primary source of meaning and self-definition for its members. In departing from them, the former believer loses what may well have been the central focus of her or his life. As with any loss, there is an associated grief process, which, however, often goes unrecognised. Acknowledging losses as well as gains in leaving the group, and normalizing the depression the ex-member may feel as a natural response to the loss can go a long way towards helping him or her move through the necessary grief process.

    Ex-believers often feel doubly misunderstood and isolated. Family and friends who remain in the group are likely to have little tolerance for the views of anyone who has rejected their beliefs. People who do not share the same background are not likely to understand the intense and long lasting effects of having once belonged to a restrictive religion. Often the connection between current life difficulties and past religious experience is not apparent even to the former member.

    Fundamentalist doctrines emphasize human imperfection; maintaining that there is no possibility for doing good without the assistance of divine grace. Along with the loss of idealized images about the group and its leaders, the disillusioned believer also loses what was believed to be the only hope of salvation. Self esteem based upon association with the group and its "sure truths," is seriously impacted when one no longer belongs to the group.

    I have found Jung's (1965) concept of the self as an inner, transcendent source of healing and wholeness that is often projected onto institutions and their leaders useful in helping people reclaim aspects of themselves that they may have given away to the group. In addition, Jung’s psychological awareness of spirituality and account of his own struggle with religious beliefs can be very helpful for individuals seeking a new way to understand their religious experience.

    In therapy as well as in other relationships, the projections formerly carried by the group and its leaders are likely to appear in the form of idealization or devaluation, with the two processes sometimes alternating. Ex-believers may need to test a relationship to see if they are at risk for another painful betrayal.

    Therapeutic process often revolves around reclamation of the personal authority once given over to the group, and now perhaps projected onto significant others as well as the therapist. The former believer may be very adept at unconsciously meeting the perceived expectations of others. Denial, repression, splitting, and a false sense of self are often well-developed defence mechanisms.

    The black and white thinking expressed in such conflicting pairs of opposites as God vs. devil, church vs. world, sin vs. righteousness, leads to repression of anything that might possibly be construed as unacceptable. Constant self-monitoring and rigid self-control, along with confession of every sin in prayer, may have been regarded as the only means for avoiding divine condemnation.

    In the literalism characteristic of fundamentalism, an "evil" thought or feeling is considered just as sinful as an evil act. Impulses and feelings maybe believed to be demonic in origin. The former group member is likely to need frequent reminders that there is nothing inherently evil about negative feelings, and the fact of their existence does not mean that they will be acted out. Strongly held beliefs greatly complicate family dynamics when not all family members share those beliefs. Unlike former members of “cults" whose families likely opposed their group membership, individuals who leave fundamentalism often leave family members behind.

    People who have left religious groups to which their families still belong will need support in coping with the anger, pain, and grief of being misunderstood and judged. They will also need assistance in maintaining a personal philosophy that clashes with the deeply held beliefs of family members. Family interactions can become dominated by the well meant attempts of the "faithful" to persuade their "lost loved one" to return to "the Truth.” Conversely, the former believer's desire to win family and friends over to his or her condemnation of the group is often as strong as the desire of those who still belong to bring her or him back into the fold.

    Dysfunctional family patterns are sometimes hidden behind the idealized image of the religiously affiliated family, an image that is apt to fail when faith in the church is lost. The discovery of pathology in one's family presents yet another challenge to previously held beliefs.

    Adolescents from families belonging to restrictive religious groups often rebel through gross violations of the strict moral codes that have been prescribed for them. Sexual acting out, running away, and substance abuse may represent attempts to establish autonomy in the face of overbearing parental and religious authority.

    Divorce and bitter child custody disputes, based in black and white conflicts over transcendent values, often occur when one spouse leaves a restrictive religious group while the other remains. While not all groups go so far as to prohibit contact with those who leave, a former member is unlikely to be well regarded by the faithful.

    Conclusion

    Psychological issues of former members of restrictive religious are unique in the degree to which they involve past religious belief and experience. It is important to remember that what may seem to be eccentric ideas and practices are likely to have been very important in shaping the former believer’s life.

    In addition to the usual goals of psychotherapy, former members may need assistance in exploring lingering religious conflicts, as well as support in seeking sources of meaning and guidance more congruent with current beliefs and lifestyle.

    References

    Bridges, W. (1980). Transitions. Reading, Mass.

    Jung, C.G. (1965). Memories, Dreams, Reflections. New York: Random House.

    Kuhn, T.S.(1970).The Structure of Scientific Revolutions. Chicago: University ofChicago Press.

    Yao, R. (1987). Addiction and the Fundamentalist Experience. New York:Fundamentalists Anonymous.Earlier versions of this article appeared in Psychotherapy, TheCalifornia Therapist, and Cultic Studies Journal.(c)

    1999 James C. Moyers Part 2: Signs of Unresolved Trauma

    A Pattern of out-of-control and self-injurious behavior

    Self-destructive addictions

    Intrusive thoughts, images, feelings and nightmares

    Flashbacks

    Extensive comorbidity/multiple diagnosis

    Inability to tolerate feelings or conflicts

    Intense self-blame and feeling unworthy

    Staying stuck in the victim or perpetrator roles

    Disorganized attachment patterns

    Black and white thinking and other cognitive distortions

    Pathological dissociation

    Suicidal ideation

    Signs of Unresolved Grief

    Prolonged and excessive guilt

    Sudden outbursts of anger/excessive anger

    Recurring or long lasting depression

    Caretaking behavior

    Self-mutilation

    Emotional numbness or constriction

    Grief Triggers

    Anniversaries

    Holidays

    Age-related

    Seasonal

    Music

    Rituals

    The Process of Healing from Trauma & Loss

    Acknowledging the loss

    Telling the story and sharing the pain

    Accepting support

    Connecting current behavior with the original wound

    Separating the past from the present

    Creating a new story; integrating the trauma into the context of one's life with new understanding

    Part 3:

    Common Psychological Problems of Mind Manipulation:

    The following problems and emotions are common with survivors. These are all normal emotions and will pass as you recover.

    Keeping a journal and sorting one's overwhelming feelings is most healing and helps work through feelings of betrayal and abuse. Finding someone to listen non-judgmentally and empathetically to your abusive experience is also a vital part.

    Feeling of Spiritual Rape of the Soul

    Enormous Feelings of Betrayal**

    Complex Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder - [trauma becomescrystallized a few days after a traumatic event, such as exiting acult] (several of a cluster of symptoms can develop, includingspontaneous crying, suicidal thoughts, emotional numbing, phobias,social withdrawal, flashbacks, amnesia, anxiety, depression, shame,guilt, self-loathing, fear of going insane.)

    Identity Confusion/disorientation (the pre-cult personality--or realself--struggles with the in-cult personality that was imposed by thecult) (there can be difficulty integrating the cultic world with theoutside world)

    Dissociation (not being in touch with reality or those around them;inability to communicate)

    Floating (getting triggered into cult mode, flashbacks into the cultmind-set; thoughts of returning to the cult)

    Panic and Anxiety Attacks

    Obsessive Thoughts

    Depression

    Psychosomatic Symptoms (head/backaches, asthma, skin rash, lethargy)

    Problems or Inability in Making Decisions (because of thedependency fostered by the cult)

    Inability to Concentrate (with short-term memory loss)

    Fear ("What if I am wrong?" "What if harmful events actually dohappen?" "I can't ever be happy outside the group." Includesphobias & fear going crazy because of

    "floating")

    Grief & Sense of Loss (grieving loss of innocence, idealism,spirituality, self-esteem, pride; sense of purpose, meaning andbelonging in life; support system; friends and family lost in cult;loss of time, goals and youth.)

    Guilt/Shame (for getting involved, for the people they recruited,things done while in the group; for leaving)

    Lack of Trust (of group situations; deep suspicions about othersmotives and attitudes)

    Intense Loneliness (strong & unique bonds were forged in the cult)

    Sense of Purposelessness & Disconnection (missing the peakexperiences of the group)

    Sense of Isolation/Alienation ("No one understands what I amgoing through.")

    Overly Critical of Oneself and Others (due to incorporating theharsh attitudes of the cult leader)

    Seeing Everything in Black and White (cults do not teach to lookfor the gray areas)

    Problems Having Boundaries (boundaries were violated time andagain in the cult until one lost sense of which boundaries wereappropriate)

    Lack of Self-Esteem & Feelings of Worthlessness (cult leaderscontinually blame members)

    Sleep Disorders (including nightmares and insomnia)

    Eating Disorders

    Sexuality Problems

    Fear of Intimacy and Commitment

    Harassment and Threats

    Anger or Rage (toward the group & leader; towards oneself;suppression of anger in the cult actually contributed to depressionand sense of helplessness)

    Problems with Career or Employment (because of years in thecult; lost job opportunities, etc.)

    Family Issues

    Spiritual (or philosophical) issues

    Impatience with the Recovery Process**

    Complex Post-traumatic Stress Disorder: Judith Herman (author ofTrauma and Recovery), along with others likes to use the this term forpeople who have suffered prolonged, repeated trauma. This disorder canbe the result of months or years of subjection to totalitarian control.

    Compiled by Dee and Mike

    Exit & Support Network

  • Apostate Kate
    Apostate Kate

    Yeppers....all too recognizable symptoms.

    I feel yucky now.

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