What is the difference between "manipulation" and "convincing"?
by DavidChristopher 15 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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LDH
Whose interests will be served?
ma·nip·u·late ( P ) Pronunciation Key (m
tr.v. ma·nip·u·lat·ed, ma·nip·u·lat·ing, ma·nip·u·lates- To move, arrange, operate, or control by the hands or by mechanical means, especially in a skillful manner: She manipulated the lights to get just the effect she wanted.
- To influence or manage shrewdly or deviously: He manipulated public opinion in his favor.
- To tamper with or falsify for personal gain: tried to manipulate stock prices.
con·vince ( P ) Pronunciation Key (k
tr.v. con·vinced, con·vinc·ing, con·vinc·es- To bring by the use of argument or evidence to firm belief or a course of action. See Synonyms at persuade.
These are from dictionary.com
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lonelysheep
Manipulate: turn things your way based on methods you KNOW will work.
Convince: the process of using different methods to turn things your way.
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willowmoon
manipulation is using techniques and ploys to coerce someone into something that serves your needs first.
convincing is using valid reasons and facts to persuade another to something you believe serves their needs first.
manipulation is conducted in a sneaky, secretive manner;
convincing is conducted in an honest, direct manner.May I ask, why do you ask?
willow
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AuldSoul
Manipulation is use, usually of devious means or coercive means to achieve an outcome. Convincing is use of reasoning and argumentation to change an opinion.
Examples:
You can manipulate a track switch to change which track set the train uses. You can't convince a track switch.
You can manipulate a person into giving over control of their life to a self-interested corporation, but you can't convince them to.
Respectfully,
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Krystal
Manipluation = WTBS
Convincing = The evidence prestened on this board that puts the nails in their coffin
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PoliticallyNeutered2
Disclaimer: I don't claim to be an expert. The stuff in this email could be false. If you use it, use it at your own risk. Also, since about 7/05, I've earnestly tried to keep my large-scale internet presence politically/religiously neutral. Stepping on big toes with such new and powerful technology seems highly incautious in my case.Application of disclaimer: I do not intend to comment on the ethicality of manipulation versus persuasion for other people or organizations. I only intend to give my own standard.
Two words sum this up for me: Informed Consent.
I don't want to unnecessarily and deeply persuade someone without their informed consent any more than I would want to have sex with them without their informed consent. Either way, I imagine that I would feel like a rapist.
But, that is just me, and I don't intend to try to persuade or convince others of this viewpoint.
Informed consent.
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jgnat
Manipulators appeal to emotion and withhold vital information in an attempt to sway a person to a certain way of thinking. A manipulator believes that the person would not of their own accord, choose to follow without some form of coersion. Manipulators must constantly reinforce their dominance.
Manipulators create weak people.
A convincer allows all information to be presented, and argues that some evidence is more vital than others. A convincer believes that most reasonable people will choose follow if provided with this information, and will continue to follow it even if the convincer were not around.
Convincers encourage people to be strong.
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AuldSoul
PoliticallyNeutered:
Two words sum this up for me: Informed Consent.
I don't want to unnecessarily and deeply persuade someone without their informed consent any more than I would want to have sex with them without their informed consent. Either way, I imagine that I would feel like a rapist.This is it. This describes my feelings on the matter more perfectly than I did. And I like the fact that you don't compare the effect to rape (which is sadly becoming an overused cliché) you only relate how doing it would make you feel to manipulate someone. I would feel the same way.
jgnat,
Your post described the effects of the two perfectly, without cheapening the horror of rape by saying that the effects are like rape.
Manipulators create weak people.
Like false prophets (Matthew 7:15-20) you will recognize them by the fruits they bear.
Utmost respect to you both. [sits contemplating in awe] (<-- or maybe it is my fever making my head swim...)
Respectfully,
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PoliticallyNeutered2
From AuldSoul:This is it. This describes my feelings on the matter more perfectly than I did. And I like the fact that you don't compare the effect to rape (which is sadly becoming an overused cliché) you only relate how doing it would make you feel to manipulate someone. I would feel the same way.
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Utmost respect to you both. [sits contemplating in awe] (<-- or maybe it is my fever making my head swim...)
Thank you! I tried hard on that one. I thought about something similar for parts of the last couple of days before I changed it enough to be sure enough that it wasn't very political. :)
I cannot take much credit for the central concept, though. Googling "informed consent" will probably reveal this fact.
Thanks again. :)