Religion, guardians AGAINST real individual development?

by daystar 11 Replies latest jw friends

  • daystar
    daystar

    In Western esotericism in general, a person is led through a series of initiations including certain rituals and practices, in order to bring a person to a sort of Jungian Individuation.

    It is said that after a certain point, one reaches the abyss. I will briefly provide some useful definitions of what is meant by this abyss in this context:

    The gulf between the individual mind and Cosmic Consciousness, between manifestation and non-manifestation, or between life and death. The plane that the magician must cross on his own, without any assistance whatsoever.

    The formless chaos from which matter and spirit are formed.

    The Void from which potential arises to form actuality.

    Now, before I continue, I must explain that I have not reached anything I would consider to be this abyss. I've come upon dark times occasionally, but nothing like I would imagine this sort of a dark night of the soul to be. From what I gather, it's a very subjective, personal experience, not often spoken of in specifics by anyone claiming to have crossed this abyss. Indeed, I don't really expect that anyone who has would be advertising that they had in any case, and perhaps would not outright admit to having done so anyway.

    In Christianity, I suspect that this is Hell. Many subscribe to the idea that Jesus passed through Hell after his crucifixtion and before his ressurrection. I also suspect that Lucifer may guide an aspirant to this abyss. Whether this is true in any knowable way and whether, then, Lucifer led Jesus to the Abyss is not really a point I'd like to argue one way or another. I'm just throwing out ideas here.

    Now, I propose that religion in many of its forms (not all) intends to guard against its constituents from coming upon this abyss, to, in effect, protect them from Hell. Christianity certainly attempts to do this. I also suspect that many guard access to this also in a sort of greediness, much like the bible was for a time when only priests were allowed to read from it, and it was written entirely in Latin. Many use this "protection" as a method for controlling the masses.

    Hell and Lucifer are demonized, when perhaps, they are exactly the (or a) function of personal development towards individuation of the psyche. One greets the shadow (Lucifer, the Light-Bringer perhaps), passes through the abyss, experiences individuation (or a certain level or degree of it, with whatever benefits one is supposed to receive from this process). I will further propose that this is Heaven.

    All that being said, I don't believe that any of this exists in a palpable, real way. I don't believe God or Lucifer exist except as anthropomorphisms for abstractions.

    I was thinking about this in reference to a thread here. I know that there are people who have had very positive experiences in their religion. Scientology, as a religion, uses their E-Meter to "audit" people. People have expressed excitement afterwards that the process works. What they are not told is that the "cans" they are asked to hold send low-level electrical impulses into the skin, which stimulates endorphin production. Endorphins "resemble opiates" and are "natural pain killers". See a real medical application of this in a product offered by the Neuro Resource Group, here. I have used this product. It really does work. If I didn't know I was using something like this that had this effect, and I were to attribute the effect to a different cause, such as something resembling therapy, I might continue to come back for therapy as well. Their positive experiences with their religion, with it's physical reinforcement, keeps them coming back, even though it's based upon false assumptions and misdirection. Perhaps this same sort of thing is possible with other religions in order to redirect?

    Any thoughts?

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    The gulf between the individual mind and cosmic consciousness. Is that a burning black fire, that dissolves what it touches? Just wondering.

    S

  • anewme
    anewme

    Most people are pretty practical. If something they are doing or following or believing is not bringing about ANY practical positive rewards, and in fact producing just the opposite, they usually lose interest in it.

    That goes for religion as well.

    One can see many practical uses for the Ten Commandments or any list of practical virtues that will lead to improved health and better relations between men and society as a whole.

    But when one goes beyond the practical and into dogma that cant be seen or proved but is a basis for volumes of abstract religious discussion, which results in dividing people between those who are saved and those who are not, then one is playing with cults and either dominating or being dominated by the gobbledy-goop of man.

    Is religion for man or man for religion?

  • daystar
    daystar

    satanus

    Is that a burning black fire, that dissolves what it touches?

    I don't have any idea what color it might be described as. Burning fire? Dissolves what it touches? Fair descriptors I would think. I believe there to be a destruction and rebirth of the ego involved.

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    Most religions have lost sight of their esoteric roots. Especially in an age that wants instant results and no pain.

    "Peering into hell", facing the inner demons and binding the "strong man", rebirth by fire and spirit, walking the mile to golgotha, taking up your cross and having fellowship with the sufferings of christ, are all symbols inherent in the "Christian" framework, with paralells in other traditions, but who applies them these days?

    Do you embrace the void or run a mile?

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    I just wonder of it is real, or just another myth that has been carried down to today. I mean, has anyone here gone there? Or, know somebody persoanlly, who has passed through the fire? Or is break down and perhaps insanity waiting there?

    S

  • daystar
    daystar

    satanus

    I just wonder of it is real, or just another myth that has been carried down to today. I mean, has anyone here gone there? Or, know somebody persoanlly, who has passed through the fire?; Or is break down and perhaps insanity waiting there?

    It could be a myth. It certainly has gathered mythical attributes. But if you know the definition of myth, a myth does not have to also be untrue.

    I have read and it has been suggested to me that if a person attempts to cross the abyss unprepared, they certainly do risk returning quite insane. By all descriptions, I can see how this might be a real risk.

    I've known of people who are said to have passed through the fire, but none personally... at least no sane ones.

  • Brigid
    Brigid


    Now here's an interesting post, Daystar! I'm going through a Persephone/Inanna-esque (my personal Jungian Archetypes) journey right now. Probably one of the reasons I've come to the board--kind of a tether to my past and the mundane. Many times I feel my grip on sanity is tenuous at best and yet, I feel more awake and aware than ever before. I do not know what all I'll find on my journey only that I must take it. It's as strong a drive or stronger than any biological drive.

    What path are you on, may I ask? Where has it or is taking you? Can you share with a fellow sojourner????

    Blessings,

    ~Brigid

  • daystar
    daystar

    Brigid

    Many times I feel my grip on sanity is tenuous at best and yet, I feel more awake and aware than ever before.

    Yes, I do understand. It can be difficult at times. There is a reason why it's been suggested to ground yourself after ritual. Go for a jog, watch a light, silly sitcom, etc.

    What path are you on, may I ask? Where has it or is taking you? Can you share with a fellow sojourner????

    Well, you likely more mean "tradition" than "path", no? I don't know that I could really tell you what path I am on, just that I am on one. The tradition I mainly work in is within the Western Mystery Tradition. I see benefit in both theurgy and thaumaturgy, as may be symbolised by the hexagram.

    It's a rocky road. In fact, I had to take a hiatus some time back due to some rather extreme (for me) effects my practice attracted. In the long run the effects will be (are) positive, but my world was quite shaken.

    I hope that gives you an idea. If you have any more questions, feel free to PM me.

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    Is religion the only guardian against real individual development?

    Won't there always be those who just have gross wits?

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