how to behave in judical committee? pls help (page 3)

kid-A

Nobody has the right to do this to you. Nobody has the right to make you feel this way because all you have done is engage in perfectly NORMAL human behaviour! SEX is not dirty, or something to be ashamed of! It is what makes us human beings. You need to understand your feelings of guilt are reactions to the MIND CONTROL that this cult is having over you. If you feel bad about how the other person is feeling about this, talk to them about it, how is this any business of these elders? What happened was between 2 adults, and it is between you and them, not these pompous ass self-righteous elders (most of whom have no education, no training, no qualifications and no empathy).

"Elders" are self-appointed "judges" who have NO RIGHT to ask you any of these questions. Go back to the main page and do some honest, in depth research into the truth about this corporation masquerading as a "religion" and get yourself out of it.

And brother billy-boy: take your self-righteous, arrogant, brainwashed ass back to your king-dumb hall and stop participating in apostate discussion boards......you know the thought police in your congregation can track your IP address?

billyboy

"And brother billy-boy: take your self-righteous, arrogant, brainwashed ass back to your king-dumb hall and stop participating in apostate discussion boards."

Sorry - I didn't know that this was an apostate board - it is advertised as a Jehovah Witness forum where everyone is welcome. My apologies.

IP_SEC

I simply cannot leave the org.

Yes you can. You can probably make it easier on yourself to leave later rather than sooner. Get your affairs in order. Make friends outside. Get out mentally first, then walk away. It is just that simple. Is it difficult? Ya. Is it worth it? Ya.

l. Lie
2. Cry

If you lie and get caught, all of the crying in the world probably wont help you. If you cry you will probably be reproved, there will be sanctions such as no commenting at meetings. If your "sin" is likely to become well know to the congo there will be an annoucement made about your reproof. If the elders arent lazy, there will probably be a local needs talk given on your type of "sin"

mrsjones5

Sorry - I didn't know that this was an apostate board - it is advertised as a Jehovah Witness forum where everyone is welcome. My apologies.

You're welcome here if you're nice Billyboy and what you said wasn't nice and was untrue for a great many here including myself...some elder you are...wait you're elder material alright.

Josie

IP_SEC

Billy boy, you are welcome although as an ex elder myself, I would have to wonder what an elder in good standing is doing on any "witness" boards with the warnings of the faithful and discreet slave against it.

DF on porneia grounds themselves).

Not true. Some yes. Many as myself have left on matters of conscience.

If you stick around you will see:

1. "Apostates" arent power hungry as youve been led to believe
2. We arent lying. We go to great lengths to make sure of that. It is hoped you will check this out for yourself
3. We arent bitter haters. We just want the society to end its unjust ways.

Matt

slugga

First thought when I saw this was "behave like Sharon Stone in Basic Instinct, remember the leg-crossing sequence in the police interrogation room?!

but then I saw it was a genuine request..

1. It seems that confessing yourself first (before the other one accuuses me) helps. Does it really?

Yes it shows you know that you did wrong and that you went running to the Elders when It sank it. They like this kind of thing, it shows you are submissive to the Org.

2. Can I confess wihtout saying the sister's name, to leave her out of it?

No, a wilful unrepentant sinner in the congregation means that the congregation will be spiritually unclean and will lack Jehovah's blessing. The Elders have to hunt out any wrong doers in the congregation. You will have to submitted to the elders request to give her up or you will be considered to be rebellious and unrepentant.

3. When long time have passed since committing sins, does it show my un-regrettfullness?

No, but you'll get slapped wrists over not coming forward earlier.

4. If the sin was habitual (took place during long period), does it show that I am unrepentant no matter what I say now?

Again no.

5. I am not going to fake tears or anything like that, but is there anything I can say or do to prove that I regret what I did??

Comply fully with what they say and ask of you. Only through this kind of submission will you prove to them that you are repentant.

I know some will bash me on here for helping him stay in but heres a bloke looking for help, someone who's family is deeply involved. I don't have the heart to see someone cast out and shunned by his family by those bastards because he made a boo boo.

Forscher

Welcome to the forum Albert!
First, let me encourage you to do what is right for you. But think just a bit on that before you take any rash action. Sit back and look, and I mean really look at what you've said to us. I do understand you feeling guilty about what you've done to the girl. But does that mean that you have to fall on a sword to atone for hurting her? Wouldn't going before the elders and naming her if they don't already know about it or her make the injury worse?
I'd say first go to her and make peace with her. If she wants to go before the elders, that is her business and you will need to decide what you are going to do in that case. If she does not want to go before them, then let it be. Why make things worse for her? In that case, leave it between yourself and God. He will know of your repentence. He will give you peace. The only thing the elders can do is give you punishment.
I am not making light of your actions as a few have done. But I am pointing out that the "company" way of doing things will not bring peace. Setting things right between you and the girl will. Beyond that, it is nobody's business! Remember what Jesus usually did when confronted with sin? He didn't go runing to the Jewish elders. He usually told the sinners to make things right with the injured parties and then to go forth and sin no more. What Christianity is all about is a relationship with Christ and his Father, not a relationship with an earthly organization. The sooner you learnh that, my friend, the sooner you'll have real peace. The organization can't give you peace, friend, they have a vested intrest in you being unsure of your salvation.
Billyboy, I saw your post about us folks here. If you want to call me bitter and twisted, be my guest. I don't need any validation from white-washed tombs like you. Jesus condemned the very legalism you, and your fellow elders, embrace so heartily. Ignoring his words makes you and them the real apostates.
Forscher

acadian

Hello and Welcome albertjw,

You said:

But it doesn't matter it seems, it is all porneia when genitals are involved - and so the most sinnful of all sins..

The most sinful of sins? I didn't know that? so murder is not as sinful? All sin is the same no differance.

The best answer I can give you, and it's one you probably wont like, is stop living a lie, fess up, and get on with life.

Do you think your going to be happy living a lie, living a double life? I doubt it.

you said:

1. It seems that confessing yourself first (before the other one accuuses me) helps. Does it really?

2. Can I confess wihtout saying the sister's name, to leave her out of it?

3. When long time have passed since committing sins, does it show my un-regrettfullness?

4. If the sin was habitual (took place during long period), does it show that I am unrepentant no matter what I say now?

5. I am not going to fake tears or anything like that, but is there anything I can say or do to prove that I regret what I did??

#1...Sometimes not always

#2...No, they will want names and details, lots and lots of details...

#3...yes, you tried to hide it

#4...No, but it depends on if you go to the elders first or did you get caught.

#5...Kiss their Asses, hope for the best, or act really humby, sorry, that the whole situation just really bothers you, and you really NEED the elders help. Personally I would tell them to kiss my ass, but this isn't about me, it's about you.

As long as you remain in the WTS there is no hope, get use to it!

If you truly wish to be happy, then stop living a lie. You know what's right, do it!

Acadian

littlerockguy

Sorry - I didn't know that this was an apostate board - it is advertised as a Jehovah Witness forum where everyone is welcome. My apologies.

Billyboy:

You are an elder and you didn't know this was an apostate board? I dont consider this an "apostate board" but I remember back when I was an active JW 10 years ago and distinctly remember the counsel about participating in discussion boards and chatting with those you do not know on the internet as well as the instructions for JWs not to set up such sites so with a little bit of logic you would know that any site not approved by the WTS would be considered off limits by the WTS and would be considered bad association.

DannyBloem

"And brother billy-boy: take your self-righteous, arrogant, brainwashed ass back to your king-dumb hall and stop participating in apostate discussion boards."
Sorry - I didn't know that this was an apostate board - it is advertised as a Jehovah Witness forum where everyone is welcome. My apologies.

I really feel that it is not nessesary to call somebody arrogant, self rightious, ass etc, because he has a different opinion. And I think he is very welcome, it is good that he has the courage to post things and read things here. This should be welcomed and appriciated. And msjones said that his post were not nice and untrue. Well I think his post were nice, and ok. (there are a lot worse posts about were JW's are bashed, without anyone complaining)
I think few are probably df-ed for porneia here, but some are (whatever).
But I do agree that some are ver bitter (some have right to be, IMHO, but still are bitter, and not always objective). So I'll say welcome billyboy

how to behave in judical committee? pls help

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