Hello everyone,
Thanks for your interest in
this thread and your great contributions.
I would like to add these comments:
To Anglise : " each point is fully pushed into the mind of each JW .."
Yes, or more simply " …inculcated ",
" …deeply rooted ", which are reminder
of various …brain washing techniques.
To A. Farrell: I'm pleased to know that you
appreciate the information. Btw, welcome on this forum!
To Fodeja:
Thank you very much for your
reminder, together with the web link. Don't
worry if the information was already give…in
this case a reminder is …welcome.
To JanH : thanks providing the correct
link again. It'll be useful just in case !
To Pathofthorns: thanks for your great
omments:
1)Whoever has the ties in Britain to the Guardian newspaper, good work. It seems they reply to the media when they are forced to before they will respond to the queries of their own members.
I do gree with you, and great thing that a British newspaper,
gve FIRST the news…to the PUBLIC in ENGLISH!
2)Unfortunately their replies to the media are just as vague and ambiguous as they are to their members. Interestingly, they never denied being associated with the UN. Just one more case where past comments are coming back to haunt them. Damn paper trails..
Too bad for them. This is one issue where they have written much in graphic prophetic language over an extended period of time. It will be very difficult for them to wiggle out of this one.
Your point reminds me of a spanish proverb: " the more you
Leave behind …the easier will be to find you…"
Finally I do hope , that the WTBS WILL BE ABLE TO WRIGGLE OUT OF THIS ONE AT ALL !!!
Thanks again.
To Blondie:
Very good comments about the " study method "
Of the WTBS for the "R&F "!
"Only the same handful of people…." TRUE even TODAY!
And about the " permafrost in the brain…" MAYBE
Someonelse has it …also!!!
Abaddon: Nice to share this with all of us. Be carefull,
That your Dad…doesn't react in a very …bad way.
Please let us know the result.
Now for all those unable to READ the " GUARDIAN's " article:
from this link:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0%2c3604%2c565005%2c00.html
you'll get this article:
Jehovah's Witnesses link to UN queried
Sect accused of hypocrisy over association with organisation it has demonised.
Stephen Bates, religious affairs correspondent
Monday October 8, 2001
The Guardian
The United Nations is being asked to investigate why it has granted associate status to the Jehovah's Witnesses, the fundamentalist US-based Christian sect, which regards it as the scarlet beast predicted in the Book of Revelation.
Disaffected members of the 6m-strong group, which has 130,000 followers in the UK, have accused the Witnesses' elderly governing body of hypocrisy in secretly accepting links with an organisation that they continue to denounce in apocalyptic terms.
The UN itself admitted yesterday that it was surprised that the sect, whose formal name is the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, had been accepted on its list of non-governmental organisations for the last 10 years.
A former member said: "There is a glaring inconsistency which has emerged between the WTBTS's frequent portrayal of the UN as an evil organisation and its behind-the-scenes attempts to curry favour with that organisation. Were individual members to be aware of any formal link they would be devastated.
"By no stretch of the imagination could the WTBTS be considered to share the ideals of the UN charter unless you suppose that destruction of the UN by God is consistent with that charter."
The Witnesses, most frequently encountered by non-members when they attempt to make doorstep conversions, have faced accusations of bad faith before.
These have been most notably over the hierarchy's insistence that members should not accept blood transfusions and over accusations that sexual abuse of children by Witnesses' ministers in the US have been covered up.
Followers who criticise the Witnesses' leaders or question their decisions are routinely "disfellowshipped" which means fellow members including their families must shun them.
An obscure and ill-publicised decision by the hierarchy in New York last year modifying the prohibition on transfusions by deeming that God had revealed to them that transfusions of some blood components might be acceptable, providing there was later repentance, has come too late for many hundreds of followers known to have died because they refused blood.
In child abuse cases, the hierarchy insists there must be two independent witnesses - an almost impossible stipulation - before accusations are investigated.
The Watchtower Society has been denouncing the UN and its predecessor the League of Nations for 80 years, believing them to be a world empire of false religion, predicted in the Book of Revelation.
A recent publication since the organisation obtained its recognition describes the UN as "a disgusting thing in the sight of God and his people".
In an internal document, the WTBTS describes its policy as a "theocratic war strategy". It claims: "In time of spiritual warfare it is proper to misdirect the enemy by hiding the truth. It is done unselfishly; it does not harm anyone; on the contrary it does much good."
Being a recognised NGO with the United Nations - as more than 1,500 organisations are - gives status though not grants.
To qualify, organisations must show that they share the ideals of the charter, operate on a non-profit basis, "demonstrate interest in UN issues and proven ability to reach large or specialised audiences" and have the commitment and means to conduct effective information programmes about UN activities.
Disaffected Witnesses believe that the association, which has not been publicised to followers, is intended to increase the cult's respectability to sceptical governments, such as France's, which have refused to recognise it.
Paul Gillies, the Witnesses' spokesman in Britain, said: "We do not have hostile attitudes to governing bodies and if we are making representations on issues to the UN we will do so."
"There are good and bad bodies just as there are good and bad politicians. We believe what the Book of Revelation tells us but we do not actively try to change the political system."
A spokeswoman for the UN said: "I think we may not be aware of their attitude, which seems to be really strange."
Greetings to you all, J.C.MacHislopp
P.S. I'll post later my comments on all
the answers and informations, on page.18
of this thread.
" One who has an accurate knowledge
of God's Word will have no problem
in refuting false religious ideas".
