Rookie on the Field

by peacepipe 40 Replies latest jw friends

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  Tina

  Just an aside Prisca,
  Profanity is not condoned. I see all you mainly do is traverse the threads,whingeing ,complaining and insulting because people don't act 'your way' according to 'your right standards'. How horrible-people aren't gonna do things the way you think they should be done!!(eyeroll) For one who snips and snipes thru the threads as you did in the one regarding supporting Max,why don't you take your own advice and go to wol and h20. Where you can be treated like an idiot child. Did you ever read Joe Blacks topic on h20 regarding supposed christians who snipe and put down others? Take a look,apply it.Or better yet check out the '10 Nutty Beliefs' in the back pages.

  Carl Sagan on balancing openness to new ideas with skeptical scrutiny..."if you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an ounce of skeptical sense-you cannot distinguish useful ideas from worthless ones."
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  Bridgette

  Peacepipe,
  Maybe your sick of everybody's two or three cents here and there. But I just want to reiterate to you that this is a place where you can speak your mind, so please, whatever you decide, just keep typing to us. You are in for some pretty big, albeit subtle, changes if you get baptized. You may find the need to talk freely, get angry, express sadness will be very strong. IF you get baptized you will be strongly cautioned against the internet, but it's your lifeline right now.
  Love,
  B :)

  BE the change you want to see in the world.
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  seven006

  Tina,
  I hope what I say here won't upset you but since I like both you and Prisca I just wanted to make a comment. It is obvious that you and Prisca have two distinctive styles of expressing what you think and how you feel. I personally like both your styles and can see where each of you would have a problem with each others. If you can sit back a bit and try to understand where each of you are coming from then maybe you can understand why they are so different and why you may take offense to Prisca's style.

  I don't know you very well but from what I have read it is plain to see that you come from a very different place than Prisca. Iv been to Chicago and the surrounding areas many times and I can understand why you may have a bit of a sharper edge than Prisca. You have also had some very upsetting things happen in your life much like many of us including Prisca. If Prisca spent a little time in your world she probably would not have such a sweet and docile personality that she shows on this board. In fact she would probably be eaten alive up there. I can see why you might consider her post to be whining but I see that in relation to where you are coming from. I see her posts and her style in a perspective from where she is coming from. She has stated a few times that she was brought up to be a good girl, I say good for her. With that in mind It' is understandable why she objects to colorful language. So she was a good little girl and did what her parents told her to do, does that make her weak, or stupid, or an idiot? I don't think so. Her Mom died when she was a little girl, I can only imagine how traumatic that was to go through such a loss and then to think for many years that she just might see her Mom again in a paradise earth and then come to the realization that that will not happen. You, yourself have had a traumatic loss of a love one and I again cannot imagine the pain you have had to endure. You express your pain and your frustration with life in your way and she expresses hers in her way.

  Different people express painful experiences in different ways and a lot of it depends on their surroundings and upbringing. You show a tremendous amount of love and compassion to those who post on this board who have recently had some sadness in their life. You also jump all over people that come off as complete assholes and attack your friends on this board. That is your style, and for the most part it is also mine. It doesn't mean our style is more or less comforting than Prisca's style in regard to trying to comfort, it just means it is different. It is simply "a style" that projects the caring and compassion for someone who we all have had similar experiences as, but we all do it in a different manner. As a JW I rarely used colorful language. Then I became a cop at age 21 and cussing was just a part of the job. One minute I was holding on to and trying to comfort a little kid that was crying because her mommy was just killed in a car accident and the next minute I was cussing out some asshole that just cracked some old man over the head with a gun so he could steal his steal his wallet to buy some drugs. Different situations and different atmospheres create different ways of expressing yourself.

  I do not see Prisca's style as whining, I see it as coming from a more docile and reserved environment. Just as she may be different if she grew up and existed in your world I think you would be very different if you grew up and existed in hers. She doesn't like foul language, well good for her, we need more people on this board like that. You like to chew out assholes, well good for you, we need more people like you also. Both of you have wonderful hearts, you just have different styles of showing those wonderful hearts. Yours may sound like bitching to some and hers may sound like whining. So what, I like reading both your posts and I don't see either one of you as bitching or whining. But that's just me and I'm as screwed up as the next person.

  I would love to see you two get together and give each other a big hug. A little kiss would be good too. A little butt grabbing and some tongue would be fun also. I could take pictures and maybe a little scented oil and..............sorry my mind got off the subject.

  Anyway, it's just a thought, do with it as you please.

  Your bud,

  Dave
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  Tina

  ((((((((dave)))))))))
  Thanks for your thoughts.
  I will respectfully disagree with your assessment.
  My upbringing(and my dad died when I was tiny,does that give me a sympathy point too?) Has really nothing to do with observing the blatantly obvious trait displayed by P. BTW the females on the board were all brought up to be good girls-nothng special about that. Difference is most of us grew up.
  I think any culture and socioeconimic level can recognize what I do.
  You must have missed all the snide and snippy statements in most of her posts.
  What I and others(folks who are not Americans et al) don't see the comfort and support in statements which start out as supportive but never fail to have a thinly-veiled negative quip inserted-geared to some posters.What you see as innocence I see as age inappropriate narrow minded naivete and rigidness. But that's the beauty of different perspectives.
  I don't care if she likes me or not-I don't care if you like me or not. Of course I'd like it and prefer if folks liked me,but that's a fantasy. No one will ever like everyone they meet or agree with them and their behaviors. Me included. I will continue to speak up when I see this self righteous,ridin' the moral high horse behavior.(Especially since it's oftentimes geared towrds me).
  Now in all fairness,will she get a similar lecture from you? Curious. Again thanks for your thoughts.Luv,Tina

  Carl Sagan on balancing openness to new ideas with skeptical scrutiny..."if you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an ounce of skeptical sense-you cannot distinguish useful ideas from worthless ones."
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  Gopher

  Re: Peacepipe, Prisca, Tina and Seven006

  I'm glad we have an OPEN forum here, where everybody has FREEDOM to make their comments, revealing what's in their hearts. ("Out of the heart's abundance, the poster posts" -- Hezekiah 13:4)

  Peacepipe clearly stated in her first post that she had been lurking here for about a year. If that is the case, clearly she has seen its ups and downs, and the freedom of expression (good, bad, and insipid) that rules here.

  I'm glad Prisca posted what she did, because it opened up a whole torrent of positive comment about this board! And since this is a marketplace of open ideas, I guess that marketplace involves knowing that there ARE other alternatives. Since Peacepipe finds her comfort here, I doubt she'll abandon us for H2O or for (oh my goodness) WOL.

  Seven006, thanks for trying to be fair and open to different points of view. You just have to ask, if Prisca thinks this board is so bad, then why does she keep coming here? She's free to do so, of course. Some of her contributions have added good things to the dialogue. She just needs to come around to your understanding that this board is for ALL various points of view about the JW organization, and it won't always be pretty. If you don't feel like reading certain entries out here, there are plenty of other good things to read and contribute to out here.

  Tina, almost left you out! Thanks for all your contributions to the board. You've been there since my day one, and for the most part you 'cut through the crap' and get right to the heart of an issue. That is so needed, even though not always understood (on first reading).

  GopherWhy shouldn't truth be stranger than fiction? Fiction, after all, has to make sense.
  Mark Twain (1835-1910)
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  Tina

  (((((((((((goph goph goph)))))))))))
  Let me tell you how much I appreciate the reasonableness you show here. Just as seven does! I think you're both pretty neat guys!
  Well Goph,I'll be the first to admit I could work on writing style here lol. (I'm working on those commas,notice? lol)
  Hey how ya feelin? I'm doing better! luv ya,T

  Carl Sagan on balancing openness to new ideas with skeptical scrutiny..."if you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an ounce of skeptical sense-you cannot distinguish useful ideas from worthless ones."
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  seven006

  Tina,

  It looks like your thoughts about Prisca have been developed over a longer time period than I have been on this board and before I knew either one of you. I would like to say I am sorry if I said anything that upset you and I will just stay out of this line of posting. I just think you both have exceptional qualities and are both appreciated on
  this board, but it's obvious your views are from two different perspectives on life. I can understand your point as I can understand hers, but I myself look at it all in even more of a different perspective. That's what makes this board so fun, different strokes for different folks. From now on, I will be more careful about what I say and how I say it in this regard.

  "In the Book of Poetry are three hundred pieces, but the design of them all may be embraced in one sentence".
  -Confucius

  Big hug,

  Dave

  PS: I can't believe I made a post without saying one funny thing or using one damn cuss word, is this what being sober feels like?
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  Tina

  s'ok Dave lol.
  I'm not at all offended. I appreciate your thoughts. Really. And it does give me some points to think about.
  Hey my son affectionately calls me 'Da Old Mug" lol......now there's some urban Italian colloquialism for ya lol.
  Heyyyyy (pastes a gold star on Daves head) <w> I haven't earned one yet myself doll! luv and hugs, Tina-Da Old Mug

  Carl Sagan on balancing openness to new ideas with skeptical scrutiny..."if you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an ounce of skeptical sense-you cannot distinguish useful ideas from worthless ones."
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  seven006

  Gopher,

  I understand what you are saying, but taking Prisca's dislike for colorful language as an indication that she thinks this board is "so bad" is pushing it a bit. I can not speak for her but if you read her comments in the various threads you will see a person that might be considered a kinder, gentler soul. She may see cussing as something that has caused her pain in her life, I don't know. Her privilege in expressing her thoughts on that subject are as important to her as they are to someone who enjoys using more graphically stimulating vocabulary. Like me, I cuss when it fits my mood and the person I am cussing at. I like the fact that I can get a little creative with my
  language from time to time on this board but I can also respect those who do not appreciate it. I don't judge them negatively for their thoughts and I try to respect them as much as I can. They can't help it if they do not enjoy cussing like you and I do, that doesn't make them self righteous and childish, just a little dull.

  I think Prisca read the first comments from Peacepipe and just wanted her to know that this "whole board" is not full of colorful language and vicious arguments. That's because it is not, but in some cases it is. That's why I like this board so much. She expressed her feelings about language choices and she was looked at as being self-righteous and childish. As much as I like Tina and can see why she might feel that way about Prisca but I don't agree. I also like Prisca and I understand why she feels the way she does about cussing. I feel there is too much choosing of sides on this board and I find myself getting caught up in that sometimes. Just because I feel that way
  doesn't mean I think this board is "so bad". I think this board is fucking perfect even though there are a lot of threads and a few posters that I don't waste my time reading. I think everyone picks and chooses what they want to read and what they want to comment on. This board is as real and as surreal as any gathering of various kinds of
  people I have ever seen. Just think about it, men and women from all over the world saying what they like, feeling how they feel and telling other people that have had similar experiences in life with about it. It's a god damn special gift of the gods of technology and I love it.

  If Prisca can't come to the same understanding about this board that you and I seem to share maybe it's because she has only been out of the religion for a very short time and also maybe it's because she is young. I don't know and I don't care. I see her for the kind and loving person that she is right now and just as everyone else in the world, her perspectives on various subjects may change as she gets a little older and has experienced a little more in life. Give her a chance, I was a total idiot at age 31 and I thought everyone should think the way I did and do things the way I did. I think she has a lot more on the ball then I did at the same age. I am not even close to the person I was at that age and my thoughts on life have completely changed. I was a real son-of-a-bitch at 31 and now I'm a nice guy, kind'a......little nice,..... fun, ........funny,....pure of heart and soul......ya, thats it, that last thing.

  Lighten up a little and give her a chance, she really is a great lady and I don't think you have all that she has to offer this board. Tina's what, about 90? and look at her, she cracks me up all the time and I think she's damn intelligent for a woman, on top of that she's a fricken Italian for christ sakes (my ass is grass now). I wonder where her head was at when she was 31? Frankly I don't care, I like her now, just as I like Prisca. They are just two different women with different concepts of what a "stroke" is. As I said, different strokes for different folks.

  Dave
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  Tina

  Hey Goombah dave!
  That's 91!!(stamps geriatric special shoe) ack 31(not all that long ago) head was pretty much the same,maybe betteh!)
  Sure I've grown and changed,hope to always be doin so...........nahhhhhhhh fahgedditaboutit lol
  Come here my lil cannoli,,hehehe...I'm gonna make ya an offeh ya can't refuse heheheheh Tina aka Connie Cannoli

  Ps You may be right,but there's a bit of history that you're not familiar with. I hope she makes a serious active effort to re-educate herself. Provincialism is no excuse. I think you may be just a tad biased due to the fun flirtation going on between ya's. I undestand how that happens lol.

  Carl Sagan on balancing openness to new ideas with skeptical scrutiny..."if you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an ounce of skeptical sense-you cannot distinguish useful ideas from worthless ones."