Unclebruce..can we start over?

by mentalist 80 Replies latest jw friends

  • Frog
    Frog
    I had no idea it was that diversified. Are most of the tribes related? Aborigines? How much mixture of the Aborigines has there been with the Europeans?

    Hi there,

    Sounds as though you're probably not that if at all familiar with what we call the "stolen generation" over here? Basically it was during the first half of the C20th where the state governments, particularly Western Australia took "half-caste" children away from their parents to "re-habilitate" them, and put them into church ministries and turned them into farmhands and the like. Most of those children never saw their families again. A very traumatic and disturbing past for most of those poor children and their families. The idea at the time was to "breed out" their "blackness", and they planned to do this over stages of generations by marrying them to white men. Miscegenation was happening all over Australia due to stations and the like that were set-up around Aboriginal camps. For decades after that, probably up until the early 1980s, government legislation and accademic literature refused to accept the status of the "half-breed" Aborigine as having any inheritance to their culture. Demographic Atalas's that were used when I was going to school for instance showed that Tasmania had no Aboriginal people, and yet there is plenty of Aboriginal culture flourishing down here. There was a big deal made about Trug-a-nan-er (also known as Truganini) as being the last living "full-blood" Aboriginie in Tasmania, and we're only talking 20years ago now.

    Things have changed now in legislation and in accademic writing, although the pervading attitudes among the white population remain due to years of such understanding being common place. I had to write a paper at Uni on what this sort of "essentialism" does to rob the Aboriginal people of their culture and history, and forces them to hold on to a static view of Aboriginality that we impose on them.

    frog x

  • ballistic
    ballistic

    You have to admit he's a genius.

    Do you know they market several beers over here that you guys have never heard of and tell us that Australians drink them all the time? Particularly "fosters" and "castlemaine XXXX". If we have it right, you guys live on the stuff.

  • Frog
    Frog
    which bit does Rolf Harris come from, ya know he is like a king over here... he is the king of Australia isn't he?

    I think Rolf was a Syndeyite? he's a legend of a man, although he gets some pretty bad stick in Aus :( He did a brilliant interview with Andrew Denton late last year.

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    We did something similar here in Canada. We took the native children and put them in to Residential schools. They were punished for speaking their native tongue, and the instructors did their best to turn them in to little white children.

    Yes, a whole generation wrenched from their family and their culture. Devastating. They are still recovering from that misguided plan.

  • unclebruce
    unclebruce

    Well said Frog,

    A good book documenting many massacres is "Blood on the Wattle"* by Bruce Elder. It is an Australian equivalent to John Dee's "Bury my Heart at Wounded Knee".

    In this area, historian Mark McKenna has written a book titled "Looking for Blackfellas Point". There are many massacre sites arround the Bega Valley near where I live. Sometimes large family groups were wiped out by men like Big Jack Hayden and "two guns" George Nelson (who went missing near here presumed killed by blacks). Why were they killed? - Land mostly. It is not widely known that indigenous people farmed the Bega Valley almost everywhere that there are dairy farms today. (No one really wanted to chase animals through the forests).

    I am at the moment helping document a number of massacre sites under sacred mumbulla mountain. Shown below is Nelsons Beach where a small unarmed tribe was massacred so the township of Bega could have building lime from the ancient oyster midden. Show me a photo and more than likely it will include a massacre site.

    Frog mentioned the "last of the Tasmanian full bloods". Well, their decimation was overseen by the official "Protector of Aboriginies" one George Robinson. Robinson was a devout evangelical Christian (read deluded ignorant barbarian). Australia has a lot of healing to do and it has begun.

    A group of 50 or so blacks were massacred just behind the sand spit (centre right).

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    Local Hero - Aboriginal Elder of the Yuin Nation 'Gubbo Ted Thomas':

    In the '80's he fought hard and saved many sacred sites from being buldozed and logged on Mumbulla and Gulaga Mountains .

    From Adelaide came the Aboriginal Flag: Black people on Red earth.

    * From Henry Lawson's "...and we shall fight a rebels fight and sing a rebel song ... and we won't be to blame if blood should stain the wattle."

  • Dr Jekyll
    Dr Jekyll
    Sounds as though you're probably not that if at all familiar with what we call the "stolen generation" over here? Basically it was during the first half of the C20th where the state governments, particularly Western Australia took "half-caste" children away from their parents to "re-habilitate" them, and put them into church ministries and turned them into farmhands and the like. Most of those children never saw their families again.

    And if you are Really interested in this monstrous part of Australia's life hunt down a DVD called "Rabbit Proof Fence" Its a true story about 3 aboriginal Girls that were snatched from home and taken off to live as maids to white Australians. They escape and start a walk that lasted over a 1000 miles through Australia to get back home all the time chased by the authority and aboriginal trackers..

  • Dr Jekyll
    Dr Jekyll
    1. not all Aussies descend from convicts... My mums ancestors were but my dads ancestors were EARLY SETTLERS... the hob nobs of the towns...

    Something that I've notice. You are far more likely to get a New South Welshman to admit to being of Con stock that you are a Victorian and secondly everyone that admits it always reckons their family member got transported there because they stole a loaf of bread! Those early Aussie must have been so f'kn greedy for bread, what with all that bread they were stealing !

    4. I expect an invitation to the wedding

    The weddings not happening till i get a decent bridesmaid dress lol I reckon we should be allowed to see a decent pic of the bride to be first though. Mentalo / Muriel post a flaming pic!

    5. I also expect an invitation to my Uncle Bruce's apostabbq

    You mean the one where hes doing Hot-Dogs? http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/25/110265/1.ashx

  • unclebruce
    unclebruce

    The vast majority of convicts were fit and healthy tradesmen or profesionals (who just happened to do a little loaf stealing and buggery on the side).

    historian unc.

  • Frog
    Frog
    I am at the moment helping document a number of massacre sites under sacred mumbulla mountain.

    uncle b, you've probably stated it previously on a thread that i've missed, but I'd be really interested to hear more about your work...frog x

  • Dr Jekyll
    Dr Jekyll
    The vast majority of convicts were fit and healthy tradesmen or profesionals (who just happened to do a little loaf stealing and buggery on the side).

    Ahhhhhhh that explains the 1788 Sydney Mardi Gras lol

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