by jolly_green_giant 29 Replies latest jw friends
Neko-
My guess is that it's a sham. The fact that it is not really embraced by mainstream physics or science folks would leave me to believe that it's not real.
If this were real and that easy to demonstrate somebody would have gotten a Noble prize for it. The way science works, someone would have made a lot of noise about this if it were a true, repeatable, demonstratable "effect."
Not true Hojon... If its something that the Government does not want other governments to know about, they have been known to have the scientist silenced, and anyone who thinks its possible, paid off. Anti-gravity does in fact exist amongst magnetic, and that has been proven. Simple by placing a small magnet over a small amount of liquid nitrogen, this method can be used to create some sort of device in that effect. As far as ghosts go, I always thought it would be cool to be something like that. I hope im a ghost when I die :)
Uh no. Conspiracies like that don't exist. The nature of science and scientific discoveries prevent it. Look at how many "conspiracies" have been broken after a very short time (Watergate, Iran-Contra, the whole Paula Jones thing).
If it's such a great conspiracy that the government is trying to hide, why do you know about it? And if you can find out about it and post it on the internet what is keeping it down? It just doesn't work.
Simple by placing a small magnet over a small amount of liquid nitrogen, this method can be used to create some sort of device in that effect.
That's not 'anti-gravity' it's magnetic force holding up a piece of superconductor. It will only work with a supercondutor too. And it's hardly a secret. I did that in a class one time. There is nothing in it to do with gravity. It just creates a force up that is equal to gravity's force down, the same as if I were to pick it up and hold it in my hand.
Craig, what exactly is magentic and gravity 'forces'
and how does this differ from the 'force' in star wars :)
Cuz i think if we call a phenomena a 'force' it means we dont really understand it.
No, we actually understand magnetic forces very well. Gravity, well, not quite as much. Or I should say we understand it but not as well as with electric/magnetic forces.
Quantum theory has described them all nicely (except for gravity), and we have even found force carrying particles in accelerator labs. Very cool stuff.
Calling them forces has nothing to do with how well or not we understand them. Same for the field, gravitaional, magnetic, etc. It's just the way we describe them.
Jeeze dude, The nature of science as you seem to think you know goes this way..
Theory or Hypothisis
Experimentation
Formulate facts from the experiment
Conspiracies are scientific theories...
The next step in the process is usually stopped before and anything can be proven. Example, Area 51. The government denies its absolute exsistence however it IS proven that the location exists. If anyone even attempts to cross the border of the grounds, they are removed with extreme force. The theory of evolution for example is still just that, a theory. Not proven yet, however most all in the scientific community believe and use it as fact. How about you? You seem to love science so much, do you believe in the "theory" of evolution?
Gee it would be really neat if we could create an anigravity device. You could put if half way under a large wheel. The wheel would begin spinning since the Earth's gravity would be pulling down one side but not the other. Poof! Unlimited energy!
Unfortunately the laws of thermodynamics keep such a thing from happening. Even if we could create a gravity shield, the power we would need to run it would exceed any energy gains (we'd be better off using rocket power or whatever).
Alternative energy claims are not new. Perpetual motion machines and such are being pawned off on the ignorant public all of the time.
As far as the Hutchinson effect, I couldn't really find anything from a mainstreme scientist. Just a bit of info on his home page and some guy named Solis. If the effect is 20 years old, you'd think there would be at least something published to replicate his claims. So far I haven't found anything at all. Since it is all associated with free energy and such, I'm not inclined to take it too seriously.
Sounds like interesting stuff if it's true, though.
rem
"Most people would rather die than think; in fact, they do so."
..........Bertrand Russell
Also, not to mention that "Anti-Gravity" experiments as they are called are only referred to as that for the fact that they Repel the forces of gravity. If true anti-gravity existed, then the experiment itself would be slung out into space and anything around it would be repeled as all objects that have mass, create its own gravitational field. Thats elementary science dude, watch a little Magic Schoolbuss once ina while.. :P :)
Whoah Stiffler,
You are making some extremely naive claims. I would suggest you do some research. You are expressing some pretty basic misconceptions about science and scientific theories. Why don't you do some research on Evolution and find out why scientists see it as both a fact and a theory?
Area 51? Give me a break - it's an airforce base where some top secret stuff was going on. There is no conspiracy there. What scientific advancement were they suppressing at Area 51? Do you understand why the government keeps certain secrets? It's called National Security. I don't see what this has to do with suppressing scientific progress in the academic sector, though.
You would do well to read some real science texts instead of getting all of your scientific knowledge from the SciFi channel or TLC.
rem
"Most people would rather die than think; in fact, they do so."
..........Bertrand Russell
Imagine the look on his face when his experiment flies up to the ceiling.
The theory of evolution for example is still just that, a theory. Not proven yet, however most all in the scientific community believe and use it as fact. How about you? You seem to love science so much, do you believe in the "theory" of evolution?
Ahh, actually the "theory" of evolution is called Natural Selection. It is an attempt to explain the "fact" of evolution, which is found in the fossil record, our biology and our DNA. Think of it this way:
The theory of gravity attempts to explain why stuff fall to the ground. The theory of gravity has changed, it used to be Newtonian and then it was replaced by Einsteinian physics. When this theory changed (more like an adjustment), things still behaved the same way. Stuff still fell to earth just like before, the planets still orbited the sun.
So yes, I believe that the current theory of evolution, or Natural Selection, is close to correct. It explains the evidence (which is that animals and plants change over time) that we see and makes successful predictions.
