digging in old books

by digglina 13 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • digglina
    digglina

    I'm new on this board and currently an inactive JW. Although lurking for several months I only just registered. I was wondering if any of you took the trouble of going through old books of the WTBTS and if it made you come to any conclusions. I'm in the possesion of loads of old books(inherited) going back until the beginning of WWII. I read about Beth Sarim, the explanation of Romans 13:1 (where they still say it's Jehovah and Jezus). I even found an old explanation of a couple of chapters of Revelations in which is explained that Rev. 3:15 (speaks of Laodicea, they were not hot or cold, but lukewarm) applies to the people who said that the entire Word of God was publicized before 1917, that's the truth and that the Lord has given them one man as his faithful servant (Russel, I presume) who, even though this servant left this earth in 1916, is still doing Gods work on earth. These lukewarm people don't preach (which is the key difference between them and really faithful brothers according to this explanation) and just wait until they go to heaven feeling way better than anyoneelse. Of course, in the Revelation book of 1988 there is nothing to be found of this explanation.

    Looking through the old books made me wonder: how come that we (I) have swallowed so many changes through the years? Funny thing is that in the early books there are even illustrations (by Rutherford) that teach us not to get involved in any church but just to research the bible and pray. I still find it difficult to judge, but am thinking: what difference is there between the JW's and other religions if they're changing the doctrine every so many years? (I know: stating the obvious...) My point is: reading these books feels like seeing what you already know, but worse. Like seeing your husband in the bedroom with another woman, instead of just hearing from your best friend that he slept with somebody else.

    Any thoughts / experiences on the subject?

  • kid-A
    kid-A

    Welcome to the board,

    I own an original edition of CT Russels "Thy Kingdom Come"....this was a huge revelation for me, seeing first hand the bizarre foundations the JWs had. Especially, CT Russels original calculations of 1914 being based solely on measurements of the Pyramid at Gizeh!!! Knowing what a looney toon the JWs had as their first "prophet" was a huge turning point in my decision to completely leave the borg. Many of Rutherfords old books are equally bizarre and were equally influential in making me realize the BS the JWs have built their theology on.

    >The watchtower protects their future by hiding their past, once someone stumbles upon it however, the JW belief system usually comes crashing down like a house of cards....

  • Legolas
    Legolas

    Welcome to the board!

    I first started studying with the JW's around 95/96 and new nothing of there past...they don't tell new people that!

    I didn't realize their past till I came to these boards!

  • greendawn
    greendawn

    The JWs are taking the changing of doctrine to great extremes and only the very naive can believe that they are under the guidance of the Holy Spirit with such an erratic behaviour.

    The Spirit does not teach anything that tomorrow will be described as a falsehood to be avoided. But the JWs have plenty of such examples of a truth today a lie tomorrow.

  • New Worldly Translation
    New Worldly Translation

    Welcome to the board Digglina

    There are lots of discussions about old literature on the forum and the nonsense the WTS have come out with.

    If Russell came back into the org today he'd be DF'd in a shot for the stuff he believed in, Rutherford too probably.

  • james_woods
    james_woods

    Gosh, New Worldly, they could easily get Rutherford just on proven conduct issues, let alone his radical beliefs.

  • digglina
    digglina

    Thank you all for welcoming me!

    Kid-A:

    I was hoping that 'thy Kingdom come' would be in the box as well, but unfortunately it wasn't... I read about the piramids on this forum and I could heartly believe it! I do have 'Children' and 'Salvation' though and that's also pretty good. Thinkin' about al those people in 1939 who listened to the advise believing the end was near and didn't get married and/or didn't have children!

    The thing I also meant to say with my example earlier, is that I was surprised how they already seemed to use the 'cover up prophesy method' from the beginning: using rev. to explain how bad the brothers were who didn't choose sides with the new regime after Russel died...

    And also: their method of explaining the scriptures really got clear to me reading the part about Rom. 13:1. They got the whole bible involved and it didn't really make sense to me (although I would have problaby believed it when it would have been in a more recent issue... ) It made me think they could turn it any way they like.

    Anyway, curious if any of you have more examples...

  • freedomlover
    freedomlover

    Welcome to the board!

    What a cool thing to own, all those old books. If you ever fall on hard time you can e-bay them for some mad money!

    there was a post on here about a week ago and Leolaia posted all these old scans where Rutherford just bashes Jewish people. Crazy bigot comments from him. It was unbelievable.

    I remember in our congregation growning up we actually had framed posters that the society made that had the pyramids on them and all the info. Russell had to show how he calculated things using the pyramid measurements. I remember being fascinated by those posters. They were old and just seemed so "magical" or something to my 5 year old brain. I wonder what ever happened to those posters.......

  • serendipity
    serendipity

    hi digglina, welcome to the forum!

  • PaNiCAtTaCk
    PaNiCAtTaCk

    Hi, welcome to the board! I also have a mountian of very old books. One of the things that hurts the society the most is the crazy paper trail that they have left. Its so wonderful that we have the internet to share these wonderful gems of truth to others who dont have the old light to research

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