HAS AN EVOLUTIONARY LINK BEEN DISCOVERED?

by badboy 46 Replies latest jw friends

  • funkyderek
    funkyderek

    Apostate Kate:

    There still is no science to back up the evolution of DNA to progress towards a more complex species. The Second LAW of Thermodynamics, Entropy, erases any chance for the theory of evolution to ever be proven. All complex matter is on a downward spiral. These computers will some day be small broken pieces, then smaller and smaller until some day it will be nothing more than dust. When DNA mutates the greater percentage of times the mutation is detrimental to the organism. When it is a good thing it will never change the DNA code, but can rearrange the genes.

    Why do people who clearly have no useful knowledge of physics, chemistry or biology always seem so sure that they are right, and the experts in the field are all wrong?

  • Clam
    Clam

    Very interesting Dr.J. Was the Austroderobludgersorearse wiped out after a haemorrhoid hit the earth during the cretaceous period?

  • Apostate Kate
    Apostate Kate

    I find Talk Origens to be very myopic.

    FD I may be blond and an apostate but I can read and reason. There is no scientific evidence for the mutation of one species to mutate into another even with billions of years to work at it. I have a genetic disease that caused me to begin researching DNA. It is a code, written in stone. And of it were not we would not be here. The universe would be one bizaar unstable place without DNA codes. Where did they come from? Oh an accidental big bang from nothingness. Then chemicals came from more nothingness. They mingled. Then all known scientific rules were broken and DNA codes mysteriously appeared out of nowhere....

    sure..makes perfect sense...

  • buffalosrfree
    buffalosrfree

    Have you seen your local P.O.? Thats the missing ling in my book.

  • daniel-p
    daniel-p

    "FD I may be blond and an apostate but I can read and reason. There is no scientific evidence for the mutation of one species to mutate into another even with billions of years to work at it. I have a genetic disease that caused me to begin researching DNA. It is a code, written in stone. And of it were not we would not be here. The universe would be one bizaar unstable place without DNA codes. Where did they come from? Oh an accidental big bang from nothingness. Then chemicals came from more nothingness. They mingled. Then all known scientific rules were broken and DNA codes mysteriously appeared out of nowhere...."


    OK, but Noah still could not have put all 7 gazillion species on his boat. Science does not attempt to explain the existense of God (or non-existence). It only explains what IS and how it MAY have come about. Nothing more, nothing less. It does not explain or attempt to explain why - leave that to the cults and misfits who feel too insecure to go through life without believing in a Flying Spagetti Monster protecting them.

  • AlanF
    AlanF

    Forscher said:

    : Yawn!!!

    Pretty well par for the course for these braindead Fundies.

    Also par for the course for the often unwitting victims in George Orwell's novel Nineteen Eighty-Four.

    AlanF

  • Dr Jekyll
    Dr Jekyll

    Oh no who BTTT'd this, Im gonna get caught out unless *hes* gone to bed

  • Dr Jekyll
    Dr Jekyll
    Was the Austroderobludgersorearse wiped out after a haemorrhoid hit the earth during the cretaceous period

    No it was the Crustiarse period. lol

    Scientist assumed they were all extinct but I believe a specimen was recently discovered on the SE coast of Australia living wild in the bush

  • jstalin
    jstalin

    FD I may be blond and an apostate but I can read and reason. There is no scientific evidence for the mutation of one species to mutate into another even with billions of years to work at it. I have a genetic disease that caused me to begin researching DNA. It is a code, written in stone. And of it were not we would not be here. The universe would be one bizaar unstable place without DNA codes. Where did they come from? Oh an accidental big bang from nothingness. Then chemicals came from more nothingness. They mingled. Then all known scientific rules were broken and DNA codes mysteriously appeared out of nowhere....
    So all the species in the history of earth, which go from simple to complex as time progresses, have appeared magically?

  • unclebruce
    unclebruce

    The fish that crawled out of the water

    A newly found fossil links fish to land-lubbers. Rex Dalton

    The fossilized remains of Tiktaalik show a crocodile-like creature with joints in its front arms. credit Ted Daeschler

    A crucial fossil that shows how animals crawled out from the water, evolving from fish into land-loving animals, has been found in Canada.

    The creature, described today in Nature1,2, lived some 375 million years ago. Palaeontologists are calling the specimen from the Devonian a true 'missing link', as it helps to fill in a gap in our understanding of how fish developed legs for land mobility, before eventually evolving into modern animals including mankind.

    Several samples of the fish-like tetrapod, named Tiktaalik roseae, were discovered by Edward Daeschler of the Academy of Natural Sciences in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, Neil Shubin of the University of Chicago in Illinois, Farish Jenkins of Harvard University in Cambridge, Massachusetts and colleagues.

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    Tetrapods did not so much conquer the land, as escape from the water. John Maisey American Museum of Natural History, New York

    The crew found the samples in a river delta on Ellesmere Island in Arctic Canada; these included a near-complete front half of a fossilized skeleton of a crocodile-like creature, whose skull is some 20 centimetres long.

    The beast has bony scales and fins, but the front fins are on their way to becoming limbs; they have the internal skeletal structure of an arm, including elbows and wrists, but with fins instead of clear fingers. The team is still looking for more complete specimens to get a better picture of hind part of the animal.

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    Plugging the Gap

    The new find helps to fill a gap in the record of how fish evolved into land-loving animals. credit Kalliopi Monoyios

    Creatures with features of both fish and land-living animals have been found before. Fish that may have been beginning to 'walk' in shallow water have been found from about 385 million years ago, and fish with limbs that bear digits have been seen from more than 365 million years ago.

    Specimens that fall into the gap, such as Tiktaalik, help researchers to work out the details of this transition. The newly found animal has a structure on its head that looks like a small gill slit that is on its way to becoming an ear, for example, and a long snout that would have been suited to catching prey on land.

    "Tiktaalik substantially narrows the gap in the fossil record of the fish-tetrapod transition," says Per Ahlberg of Uppsala University in Sweden.

    "Tiktaalik was probably an unwieldy swimmer," says John Maisey, a palaeontologist at the American Museum of Natural History in New York. It probably lived in shallow waters, says Maisey, only hauling itself on to land temporarily to escape predators. "Tetrapods did not so much conquer the land, as escape from the water," he says.

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    Treasured find The crew picks over rocks and bones despite the dismal weather. credit Ted Daeschler

    Daeschler and Shubin set off to find this missing link in the evolutionary chain back in 1999. The pair targeted Ellesmere Island after noticing that it was listed in an undergraduate textbook as exposed Devonian rock that had not previously been explored for vertebrate fossils.

    The desolate area was reachable only by plane, and the weather was so bad that field work could only be done for about two months each summer. The team first walked around the rocky outcrops looking for fossils of plant life that indicated stream or delta sediments, in order to target areas that had once hosted shallow waters. "That is where the action is on the fish-to-tetrapod transition," says Daeschler.

    By 2000 they had found fossils with intriguing fins in the eroding rocks. "In 2004, we really scored, finding three partial skulls and numerous jaws," recalls Daeschler.

    Shubin remembers finding one simply by wandering off to sit on a rock for his lunch break. "I looked over at a wall; there was a Tiktaalik snout looking out of the cliff at me. I couldn't believe my eyes. I knew the rest of the skeleton was behind it. We were high fiving right and left."

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