HAS AN EVOLUTIONARY LINK BEEN DISCOVERED?

by badboy 46 Replies latest jw friends

  • funkyderek
    funkyderek

    Apostate Kate:

    FD I may be blond and an apostate but I can read and reason.

    Good to hear. Perhaps you could apply those abilities to the subject at hand.

    There is no scientific evidence for the mutation of one species to mutate into another even with billions of years to work at it.

    Nonsense. You may not be aware of any, but then you don't seem to have much of a grounding in science - nor do you seem to want one.

    I have a genetic disease that caused me to begin researching DNA. It is a code, written in stone.

    It's not written in stone at all - even metaphorically. It's written in chains of nucleotides which constantly separate and recombine in new and interesting ways.

    And of it were not we would not be here.

    If DNA were "written in stone", we wouldn't be here. It is DNA's variability that makes life possible.

    The universe would be one bizaar unstable place without DNA codes.

    In what way? A lifeless universe would be considerably more stable than ours - if a lot less interesting.

    Where did they come from? Oh an accidental big bang from nothingness. Then chemicals came from more nothingness. They mingled. Then all known scientific rules were broken and DNA codes mysteriously appeared out of nowhere....

    What a peculiar idea you seem to be ridiculing. I'm not aware of anyone who holds to such a view of events. It's OK to be ignorant. That's your choice. It's not OK to make an argument from that ignorance as if it was equivalent to knowledge.

  • ballistic
    ballistic

    FD is so right. LOL,

    It is a code, written in stone.

    Kate, sorry to say but I think you have no idea what DNA is or how it works.

  • Pole
    Pole

    :There is no scientific evidence for the mutation of one species to mutate into another even with billions of years to work at it.

    Interesting that you arrived at this conclusion. I recently got a job where I'm required to make myself familiar with the very basics of molecular biology and my experiences are contrary to yours. No, what I know won't make me a biologist, but it was revealing for me to find out how many aspects of molecular genetics can only be explained in terms of some theory of common origin of living organisms.

    Pole

  • kid-A
    kid-A

    sure..makes perfect sense...

    LMAOROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes you're right kate, some non-existent tribal deity in the sky "creating" humans out of "dust" makes so much more sense than evolutionary biology, which has so much data in support of its validity at the anatomic, molecular and physiological levels as to render it cold hard fact. No kate, DNA is not "written in stone", that is just so wrong, and such a vivid betrayal of your ignorance it is pitiful....

    > There were so many factual errors in your post, mostly nailed by FD, thats its not even worth reiterating them here, suffice it to say you have NO understanding of evolution, genetics, molecular biology, anatomy or any other subdiscipline wherein evolution is to clearly obvious to anyone with a functioning brain. You creationists are so talented at making complete asses out of yourselves with your ridiculous and pitiful attempts to discredit the work of scientists, working in fields you have absolutely no comprehension or training in. I suspect you gained your knowledge of "genetics and dna" from a recent "Awake" magazine or the Society's bullshit evolution book.

    Forscher, the reaction I would expect from a comatose, uneducated x-tian fundamentalist.......How was the latest meeting of the "flat earth society" ??? LOL

  • slacker911
    slacker911

    This is my first post on this forum, though I have been reading for about a month now. The post by Apostate Kate pulled me out of the shadows, because I can not stand it when people casually make declarations that they know nothing about...

    Funkyderek already made some excellent points directed at one post, but there were a couple other statements that Apostate Kate made that need to be addressed. Statements that she made almost always get me going because she is almost certainly telling these things to other people, and is miseducating them in the process, but also because spreading misinformation is the same thing that the WTS does, and that is what we are all here to fight anyway...

    To quote Apostate Kate (AK) "The second law of Thermodynamics, Entropy, erases any chance for the theory of evolution to be proven." There was a link provided to the talk origins website, and this website is a phenominal education rescource, assuming that is what someone is actually interested in. If AK can "read and reason" then she should enjoy that article. And though Talk Origins can say it a million times better then I can, AK should have listened to those biochemists that tried to explain closed environments/systems to her. The Earth does not come close to using all of the energy supplied to it by the sun, so it is not a closed system. It really is that simple. But read the article...it is phenominal...

    And also, statements like this one drive me crazy "Where did they come from? An accidental big bang from nothingness?" The big bang has nothing to do with evolution. It has everything to do with cosmology. They are not related at all. But, why would the big bang have to be an accident? Do you equate belief in the big bang with athiesm? Why? What evidence do you have? What does the bible say about the mechanism that God used to create the universe? Why dont you like the big bang?

    And though Funkyderek already addressed the statement that "DNA is set in stone", AK also said that "there is still no science to backup the evolution of DNA to progress to a more complex species." If the following REAL LIFE example does not completely prove these two statements to be wrong, then I do not know what will. The example has to do with bacteria. As everyone posting here no doubt knows, bacteria are known to consume anything from crude oil to our own tissues. What they can or can not consume depends upon the instructions contained in their genome. In 1975, Japanese scientists reported finding a bacteria that could even consume Nylon. This would not seem to be too extraordinary of a finding except for the fact that Nylon is completely synthetic. It did not exist in nature prior to 1935 when it was manufactured by Dupont. So where did the genetic information come from? The bacteria did not lose the ability to consume what it was able to consume previously, but it gained the ability to consume this new, synthetic, material in addition to what it could consume previously. This new ability within the bateria Flavobacterium is the result of an additional Thymine nucleotide to be added to the DNA sequence of this bacteria. In my mind, this proves that not only is DNA NOT set in stone, it also proves that order can arise from chaos, and that evolution does occur in order to cause one species to progress into a more complex one. Because, just because the bacteria evolved on the micro level, it still became more complex in the process. This is a real life example of the one thing that creationists insist that evolution can not do, add new genetic information, and yet here it is! The genome for this bacteria actually grew and became more complex by the addition of the Thymine nucleotide! This really isnt any surprise to scientists and other people that like to actually learn, but in my mind this is proof on the most basic level that creationists for some reason insist that they need...

  • AlanF
    AlanF

    Slacker911, your post is an excellent example of what people with brains should be posting on this forum in order to beat back the gross ignorance that religious devotion -- personified by our own Borgish and thoroughly braindead mentor, the Watchotwer Society -- inevitably produces. Simple facts like you present are all that are needed.

    AlanF

  • slacker911
    slacker911

    Thank you very much for the compliment! I really appreciate it! I look forward to posting and conversing with you in the future!

  • Amazing1914
    Amazing1914

    Slacker911,

    I second Alan's comments about your well developed post. Oddly enough, what fundamentalists (sometimes this means ex-Jws who have not learned to think critically) fail to realize is the point you made regarding the Big Bang. That is: The Big Bang (cosmology) is not related to evolution of life on earth. Likewise, the sciences of cosmology and evolution do not have to preclude the involvement of a creator-designer. God couold have easily designed and employed the Big bang and evolution as tools to bring about life and let that life adapt to random changes. Maybe God likes to play dice afterall.

    Well done. Keep up the good posts.

    Jim Whitney

  • SickofLies
    SickofLies


    Good Job Slacker! You should read my frist post, I left the borg because of evolution myself!

    Exploring new options for the first time

  • tetrapod.sapien
    tetrapod.sapien
    HAS AN EVOLUTIONARY LINK BEEN DISCOVERED?

    there are no such thing as "links". either there are no links, and everything in the history is one large multi dimensional genetic gradient, or everything is a link. read the blind watch maker by dawkins for a wicked run down of what i mean. seriously.

    "links" is used by the braindead media, and those whose motives are shaped by blinders, to give you the impression that evolution by natural selection is just as simple a process as "creation" is.

    let me put it this way: every single fossil ever found... ever ever ever ever, is a "link" between us, and whatever common ancestor we share with the orgasism that made the fossil. and in that light, every single thing that exists today, every single organism alive, is a "link" to us and our grand evolutionary past with which we are but yet only discovering.

    as an example: homo neandetalis, commonly know as neanderthals, are probably our closest *evolutionary* cousins. the common ancestor we share with them is not that far in our evolutionary past. however, our closest *living* evolutionary cousins are the chimpanzees, aka pan troglodytes. but the common ancestor we share with them is like 4 *million* years ago. much much older than the neanderthals or homo erectus.

    so, if you, or others, are looking for "links", search no farther than when we first started unearthing the fossils of distant bipedal cousins, because they are links between "man" and "ape" because they fall between "us" and "chimps". in other words, look at yourself in the mirror, really soberly, and behold the missing link.

    cheers,

    TS

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