Jesus, More Than A Man?

anewme

What do you think? Was Jesus more than a mere man?

Honesty

Hosea 13:4 I have been the Lord your God ever since the land of Egypt; you know no God but Me, and no Savior exists besides Me.

Isaiah 43:11

I, I am the Lord , and there is no other Savior but Me.

Acts 4:12 There is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to people by which we must be saved.”

John 12:32 As for Me, if I am lifted up from the earth I will draw all [people] to Myself.”

John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “ I assure you : Before Abraham was, I am.”

What do you think?

"As regards to your questions concerning the station of Jesus Christ, and His return as explained in the Gospel. It is true that Jesus referred to Himself as the Son of God, but this, as explained by Bahá'u'lláh in the 'Íqán, does not indicate any Physical relationship whatever. Its meaning is entirely spiritual and points to the close relationship existing between Him and the Almighty God. Nor does it necessarily indicate any inherent superiority in the station of Jesus over other Prophets and Messengers. As far as their spiritual nature is concerned all Prophets can be regarded as Sons of God, as they all reflect His light, though not in an equal measure, and this difference in reflection is due to the conditions and circumstances under which they appear."

(Compilations, Lights of Guidance, p. 491)

carmel

anewme

Thanks Honesty. It is strange to read Jesus words, meant to bring comfort, after one is dfd. It sounds all new again.

Carmel, my MIL is Bahai. She believes Jesus was one of the prophets.

I was surprised the other day to find a picture of Jesus (one of those real old fashioned compassionate looking pictures of him) attached to the sun visor of my husband's truck. I questioned him about it.
He just said "my mother gave that to me a long time ago"

I said but you dont believe in Jesus do you?

He said yes he did as a matter of fact. He believed that Jesus was the son of God.

I said, but you dont do anything for him, you dont profess any faith or go to meetings or speak about him or pray that I can see.

He said "Well I live each day as an honest man and take care of my wife and my mother and treat my neighbor as I would like to be treated. Jesus told us to do that didnt he?"

I said yes.

"Well I do that for him and God"

"Oh, I didnt know that"

"Well now you know."

"Yeah, now I know."

JamesThomas

As a bright star requires a dark background, making one person more divine, necessitates divinity to be subtracted and reduced everywhere else in the universe. An extremely high price to pay to have a personal little deity.

j

Narkissos

What is a man (or a woman)? Do we really know?

What would be more than that?

Is a fantastic story character (whether a god, a demi-god, a super-hero or a speaking animal) more or less than a man (or a woman)?

Aren't we all made of reality and fiction?

Honesty

Thanks Honesty. It is strange to read Jesus words, meant to bring comfort, after one is dfd. It sounds all new again.

You are welcome, anewme.

The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society claims that we rejected Jesus because we expose their lies and escaped out of their death-dealing grip. They are so out of it. When they do wake up and see who they have really been worshipping I pray it is while they are still here on earth.

As far as rejecting Jesus, the Watchtower cult has stolen His rightful position and are an antichrist. I fear them not because Jesus' words prove them false prophets:

What then are we to say about these things?

If God is for us, who is against us?

He did not even spare His own Son,

but offered Him up for us all;

how will He not also with Him grant us everything?

Who can bring an accusation against God’s elect?

God is the One who justifies.

Who is the one who condemns?

Christ Jesus is the One who died, but even more, has been raised;

He also is at the right hand of God and intercedes for us.

Who can separate us from the love of Christ?

Can affliction or anguish or persecution

or famine or nakedness or danger or sword?

As it is written:

Because of You we are being put to death all day long;

we are counted as sheep to be slaughtered.

No, in all these things we are more than victorious

through Him who loved us.

For I am persuaded that neither death nor life,

nor angels nor rulers,

nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers,

nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing

will have the power to separate us

from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord!

Romans 8:31-39

peacefulpete

If any man could do what the Jesus of the NT does, there would have been no need to create the character. Fiction satisfies what reality leaves us wanting.

Balsam

If man was not born in sin as the bible teaches (which Christians cling go but Judaism doesn't) then there is no sacrifice because it is not needed. I have been investigating some of the teachings in various avenues of Judaism and found they don't believe in inherited sin. The Messiah was not to pay for the sins of mankind but was to bring release to the Jew's who were ruled by other nations. So somewhere the concept was introduced probably by Apostle Paul who was self appointed that Jesus death was to pay for human sin. But that concept was not in inherent in the Jewish faith.

So Christians created another teachings that branched off from the Jewish teachings but very different. I think Jesus was a rebellious preacher of his day, and fully just a human and there was nothing divine about him. When he spoke of being the son of God, he meant all mankind were the sons and daughters of the divine spirit that gave life to humankind.

This is how I've come to view it all. It is a long way from where I was 5 years ago. Coming to see that the Biblical word is a human expression of what they believed is divine. God didn't commission the bible, man did. I know there are many ex-jw who go on and continue in their belief of the bible, but after research I just have not been able to do that. I am somewhere between deist and atheist. Does that make my life feel unhappy or not worth living, I can soundly say absolutely not. My life is full and happy and though the answers to life isn't found in the bible anymore for me, life feels good.

JamesThomas

My life is full and happy and though the answers to life isn't found in the bible anymore for me, life feels good.

Indeed. There comes a time to put down the menu, and eat the food.

j

Jesus, More Than A Man?

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