1. truly I tell you today,
you will be with me in paradise.
vs.
2. truly I tell you,
today you will be with me in paradise.
Doesn't #1 sound like yesterday Jesus wasn't telling the truth
and he hasn't made up his mind about tomorrow.
truly I tell you today
by moomanchu 18 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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moomanchu
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drew sagan
What I find amazing about this scritpure is how the WTS is able to use it to say something it dosn't. If Jesus was talking about that day, or a future day what differance does it make? Does it really PROVE BEYOND DOUBT that what the Watchtower says about everlasting life is correct. It's amazing how somebody can take something general, and then use it to prove things WAY BEYOND what it really says. What "proof"!
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Ténébreux
I don't think they emphasize the "truly I tell you today" in order to prove the earthly paradise, I think it's more a case of having to eliminate the other possible reading which contradicts that idea. -
moomanchu
you will be with me in paradise.
Will the robber be with Jesus in heavenly paradise? I don't recall heaven being refered to by JW's as paradise.
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A Paduan
What I find amazing about this scritpure is how the WTS is able to use it to say something it dosn't.
That's scripture - there's no obligation - so you can use it how you will
to some a savour of death, and to others a savour of life
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Hellrider
There was a great discussion on this not long ago:
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Mrs.Congeniality
THE WAY I SEE IT IS NO MATTER HOW YOU READ THIS SCRIPTURE- JESUS SAID HE WOULD BE WITH HIM AND AS FAR AS I KNOW JESUS DOES NOT PLAN ON LIVING ON EARTH AGAIN.
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Deputy Dog
What I would like to know is how come this guy gets a free pass. He has lived his entire life sinning, never Baptized, never went to meetings, never went door to door and gets a guarantee of paradise.
I want what he has. When ever the WT thinks he gets it.
D Dog
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moomanchu
Thanks hellrider,
But I didn't see an explanation of "being in paradise today" which makes me wonder if the JW's do
have it right.
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heathen
I think it just makes better sense to say that jesus was talking about a future event and not something that would take place on the day they died . Jesus did not ascend to heaven himself til 40 days after his resurrection . The jews were aware of the paradise earth but I don't think they knew about the co -ruler thing . Jesus did have authority to forgive sins so he did it because the criminal professed fait in him . IMO