607

by Zico 290 Replies latest jw friends

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  sir82

  I don't usually comment on these types of threads, but I just couldn't pass this up:

  Celebrated WT scholars have stated how the date of 607 is derived. It is derived not from some astromical date as you allege but from the date of 537 BCE which is establihed by means of accpted secular evidence which includes the astronomical evidence.

  OK, so, if I understand correctly:

  587 BCE as the date for the destruction of Jerusalem is WRONG WRONG WRONG because it is derived from astronomical data. 607 BCE is an infinitely better date because it is NOT derived from that BAD HORRIBLE astronomical data.

  If 607 BCE is not derived from such GUT-WRENCHINGLY UNRELIABLE astronomical data, from where is it derived?

  Just count back 70 years from 537 BCE.

  And how do you get 537 BCE? From DIVINELY PRESERVED and UNDISPUTED astronomical evidence.

  Yes indeed, I can see how those WT scholars are truly "celebrated".
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  VM44

  The Egibi business tablets were written by people who were THERE at the time!

  These business tables are the contracts and receipts for transactions that took place during each of the neo-babylonian king's reigns, and there are hundreds of them

  Imagine that, if in America during modern times, financial transactions were dated by the number of days into the current presidential administration. By conducting an examination of these receipts, it is determined quite easily how long each president was in office. Financial transactions take place continually, so it would be impossible for there to be a time period with no receipts corresponding to a mysterious, unknown president.

  In like manner, these Egibi receipts produce a relative chronology for the Babylonian kings that contains no 20 year gap required if the 607 year is claimed to be true.

  These Egibi tablets have been known since around 1879, the year that the Watchtower magazine BEGAN publication! And yet, the Watcthower has NEVER mentioned anything at all about the Egibi tablets, nothing at all! Strange of them don't you think?

  --VM44
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  MJ

  You cannot go from 587 to 517 because the seventy years becomes insignificant. The seventy years was a foretold and historic period of servitude, exile and desolation and therefore cannot be fitted to the parameter you have suggested.

  scholar JW
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  VM44

  You seem to be obsessed with Egibi business tablets but such documents do not present history and even though these contain regnal data such data fails to account for the many historical anomalies that biblical history presents. Celebrated WT scholars have pronounced these documents as museum pieces suitable for public viewing and admiration only, not suitable for the purposes of chronology.

  scholar JW
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  AuldSoul

  Celebrated WT scholars have pronounced these documents as museum pieces suitable for public viewing and admiration only, not suitable for the purposes of chronology.

  AHHH! Finally! A positive assertion of something specific the celebrated WT scholars supposedly pronounced.

  Where and when did these "scholars" make this pronouncement regarding the Egibi business documents?

  I call bullshit.
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  AlanF

  I see that scholar pretendus is back in full splendor, spouting bright, shining bullshit all over his screen.

  Scholar pretendus, you've clearly demonstrated yourself an intellectual coward by running away from many careful discussions of actual evidence -- in particular a thread several months ago where I demonstrated that Josephus kills the claim that the Jews returned to Judah in 537 B.C., but rather returned in 538. That, in turn, kills the Society's chronology.

  Here are some facts:

  There is no biblical evidence that the Jews returned in 537.

  There is indirect biblical evidence that the Jews returned in 538.

  There is no astronomical evidence that the Jews returned in 537 or 538.

  There is no secular evidence that the Jews returned in 537.

  There is direct secular evidence -- Josephus' statements -- that the Jews returned in 538.

  From the above facts, an honest person can only conclude that it is far more likely that the Jews returned in 538, and that 537 is unlikely.

  You have yet to establish any of your claims about 537 with clear evidence, or even give a shred of evidence.

  Your claims amount to dishonest special pleading.

  You're no scholar, any more than the various "celebrated WT scholars" that you so ardently worship were. You can't even name any of these phantoms.

  AlanF
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  undercover
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  M.J.

  You cannot go from 587 to 517 because the seventy years becomes insignificant. The seventy years was a foretold and historic period of servitude, exile and desolation and therefore cannot be fitted to the parameter you have suggested.

  So vague, Scholar. Why do the seventy years become insignificant? I understand the WT definition of the seventy years. Please explain how this definition is affected by fixing a starting point rather than an ending point.
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  Alan F

  There is no evidence biblical or secul;ar that the Jewish exiles returned in 538 for it would have been impossible to do so unless they chartered a jet aircraft. Whatever the case 537 is the only possible year for the return of the exiles as Ezra 3:1 indicates that by the seventh month of that first year of Cyrus the exiles were at last home. There is no direct secular evidence on the basis of Josephus that alters the fact that 537 is the time of their Return.

  The year 538 is impossible and so it is the case that scholars do not give this year for the actual Return to Judah, in fact biblical historians are very coy on the specific year when the Jews actually returned home. The year 537 allows sufficient time for the decree in Cyrus' first year 538 and the four month trek from Babylon to Judah. Even the apostate Jonsson in his hypothesis is rather coy about the specifics of this subject. Celebrated WT scholars are not coy or timid about this vital history and have determined the facts about the matter to the chagrin of opposers.

  Celebrated WT scholars have published explanations as to fact that 537 was the year for the Return in harmony with Ezra and Josephus.

  scholar JW
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  Auld Soul

  I will respond to your specific five questions tomorrow night as they interest me greatly and I thank you most humbly and sincerely for posting such questions.

  scholar JW