by jw 51 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
Dear JW Moron,
I'll try not to insult you any further but could you stop treating other people like they're stupid? Did you think that none
of us know what a Bible is - or can't find Hebrews?
If you wish to discuss things with any intelligence, by all means, ask. Many of us have been "in the truth" for 20, 30, 40 years
and suffered accordingly. Don't treat us like we're idiots.
metatron
13 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels but do not have love, I have become a sounding [piece of] brass or a clashing cymbal. 2 And if I have the gift of prophesying and am acquainted with all the sacred secrets and all knowledge, and if I have all the faith so as to transplant mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 And if I give all my belongings to feed others, and if I hand over my body, that I may boast, but do not have love, I am not profited at all.
4 Love is long-suffering and kind. Love is not jealous, it does not brag, does not get puffed up, 5 does not behave indecently, does not look for its own interests, does not become provoked. It does not keep account of the injury. 6 It does not rejoice over unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth. 7 It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
8 Love never fails. But whether there are [gifts of] prophesying, they will be done away with; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will be done away with. 9 For we have partial knowledge and we prophesy partially; 10 but when that which is complete arrives, that which is partial will be done away with. 11 When I was a babe, I used to speak as a babe, to think as a babe, to reason as a babe; but now that I have become a man, I have done away with the [traits] of a babe. 12 For at present we see in hazy outline by means of a metal mirror, but then it will be face to face. At present I know partially, but then I shall know accurately even as I am accurately known. 13 Now, however, there remain faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
JW - you want to pitch to your audience.
First of all, you dont really expect anyone to read all that do you? Its TOO LONG. Little sound bites will do for the internet generation. Weve got places to go and people to meet.
Second - help? Dont presume your audience agree with you that they need help. If we wanted help we would be posting on www.I-need-a-religious-lecture.com
I give you a W for audience participation, and an I for pitch, pace and power. Well done brother. We look forward to your next number 4 talk in the third school.
katie, I TRIED to go get a religious lecture, but the link is dead. Dead I tells ya'...d-e-a-d, DEAD!
It always kind of amazes me when religious people seem to think that quoting scripture is going to induce belief, as if the words were some kind of magical spell. Let me ask you this, jw, if I quoted the Koran to you, would you switch to that belief? What if it was a really neat passage? What if the passage said that people who don't believe would die? Wouldn't that be incentive to believe? What if the guy quoting it to you was 110% sincerely convinced that he was right?
What causes you to believe anything? Take it out of a religious context. Say a stranger gives you some information about the stock market. Do you believe her? Are you skeptical? Does a "lack of faith" prevent you from immediately believing? If you could not find evidence to verify the claim, would you believe it anyway? Would you spend your precious resources on a claim that could not be verified? Why or why not?
Thinking about what causes people to hold the views they do is enlightening. Best wishes to you on your journey.
SNG
Nearly no one other than JWs and Southern Baptists still claim Paul wrote it.Really and who are these people, who don't believe Paul wrote Hebrews.
The current thought among many Bible scholars is that Luke was the author of Hebrews due to the type of Greek used in this book, however, some do hold that Paul wrote this book. In either case, Paul had some influence on this book, either directly or indirectly.
JW, what`s the deal here, really? Are you, by the title of the thread, saying that people here lack faith...in general? Or lacking faith in the Watchtower society? Or lacking faith in the Bible and God? You need to specify what you are trying to say. The problem here, dear JW, is that to you, these three faiths are one and the same! You have, in your religion, a mix-up of faith in the Bible and God on the one hand, with faith in the Watchtower society! So, if you are asking "are people here lacking faith in the Bible and God", you would get a variety of answers. Some do, some don`t. But if you ask "are people here lacking faith in the Watchtower Society", then yes, all would say yes (except Scholar and a couple of others).
You need to be specific. Although I can understand why you are reluctant to do that, because then you might start to understand something, and you need that blurry vision you now have to stay focused on your definition of God, which is whatever the WTBTS tells you, not the Bible. Once you open your eyes, the world in which you now live will come crumbling down. And that can be very scary. The truth (about "the truth") sets you free, but not without its casualties. It`s hard when you realize that you have been living a lie for God knows how many years.
JW
take a week and and think about:
Your daily routine going to 5 meetings and 10 hours in service- find this in the bible where doing these exact things will gain you everlasting life. (DO NOT USE THE SOCIETY"S PUBLICATIONS)
Next time you study be sure to get 3 different bibles and compare scriptures- you will see different things
go on line to online dictionaries and encypedias and do research on many topics
when the society quotes people or things in the watchtower- go on the web and look that info up yourself
All I'm saying is look into more of what you are being taught away from the WTBS- if its from Jehovah you will truly find out because there is nothing to hide.
hope this makes sense.
Faith in what by the way. Faith in God or Faith in the Watchtower Society?GOD
Well, that's a start......now get on with LIFE, real life..... there's so much for you to discover about God and his creation. (A mind, especially a closed one, is a precious thing to waste).
do you think this person is counting time????
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