Why tortured to death?

Gill

If Jesus only 'had to die' to redeem the whole human race, why then did he have to be tortured to death?

Was that really necessary, and what sick mind decreed that it was necessary?

Gill

OK. I'll put it another way.

What kind of 'person/God/deity' requires that a person or animal/living being, be tortured and killed at all?

All through the old Testament, the Jews were told how bad the gods that required human sacrifices were, and then they find that this same God actually demands/expects/requires a human sacrifice. Not only is this 'sacrificial lamb' to be killed, but he has to have a slow, lingering death.

mckay

Why? Darned good question. To hang someone up and let them stay there until they are dead is a typical idea that turns me from Bible based religions. If Jesus is killed then people can be forgiven for their sins, what an idea! There are plenty of things in the OT, such as, kill, kill, kill that is inspired or caused by the most highest of Gods that the killing of Jesus is just another minor example of God's love for us people.

mckay

Gill

Welcome mckay!

So much in the Bible just does not stand up to any kind of scrutiny. Try to answer questions and you just end up with more questions.

Why would a loving God require his son to be tortured to death? Who is telling him that he has to allow this? Is he not really a supreme God? etc

Forscher

The answer to the question is found in the third chapter of Galatians.
The background to what Paul was writing about was the insistenceof some that gentiles who became Christians also had to become Jewish prosylites by getting circumcised. Paul points out at verse ten that anyone under the Mosaic Law falls under a special curse contained in that law because no imperfect human is capable of following it fully (Deut. 27:26). There was also an equivalent curse on anyone who was hung on a stake (Deut. 21:23). Usually those hung on a stake were executed first and then hung up as a warning for others. Crucifiction was basically a continuation of that custom with the added horror of being hung on the cross or stake alive so that the instrument was also the means of execution. By being hung up that way for display Jesus became cursed and thus took to himself the curse which the Jews and anyones esle who observed the Mosaic Law was under thus freeing them from that curse in addition to paying the ransom price for Adam's sin (verse 13).
Paul was chiding those who were judiaising the Gentiles of course. He was pointing that out to demonstrate the futility of following the law and the lack of need for Gentiles to come under it. But in doing so he provided the answer to the question posed.
Forscher

Gill

Which begs the question, Forscher, which 'bright spark' is deciding to give out these 'curses'?

By giving out these curses, they are requiring an atrocity to be performed also, so why would they require such a thing if they had an ounce of compassion in them?

Judas I.

what kind of Being allows Himself to be tortured and killed as a ransom for His killers forgiveness?

Do Christians really do that? Or just sing songs and praise it. And talk about how "retarded" the actual act is?

Who is retarded for real?

lovelylil

Forscher,

Good response. Christ had to die to remove the curse of death from mankind. Anytime you are flogged and hung on a cross, it is not supposed to be a picnic. But do we know exactly how much Christ was tortured? No. Was it an easy death? No. We only have the details in scripture. Contrary to what people believe, the answers to why Christ died the way he did is in the bible it is in Isaiah chapter 53

peacefulpete

Many of the elements of the Jesus stories were drawn from centuries old traditions about ideal Kings and god/men. In many NearEastern inscriptions legends surround the respective Kings' rise to power amidst opposition and personal suffering. These ideal Kings brought reversal of the negative through humilty and devotion to the gods. This was seen as fitting in part because of the mythic parallel with various seasonal fertility gods and goddesses who suffered and died and found rebirth and exoneration. Further the average poor men and women seeking a reversal of fate for themselevs would readily embrace a king who was described as having suffered himself but humbly achieved victory. These traditions were reused by priests and story tellers of most all the cultures of the Near East. The David story draws heavily upon this motif. The Job story uses it. The writer of 2nd Isaiah utilized the motif when describing his nation Israel as a suffering servant who acquires a reversal to become the envy of the world an invincible power blessed with prosperity.

It is not surprizing therefore that at least some versions of the Jesus story would include the ideal King/godman suffering and dying prior to his acquiring Kingly power.

Wasanelder Once

Ok, let's see. God places the curse on man for sinning. God requires that the first man die for his sins to pay for his sins. He dies. But that's not enough. All other offspring are to die too. Why? Because God cursed them for being born from the sinner. So, the only logical thing to do is to kill another perfect man who is innocent.

What the hell happened to a pardon that would have spared all this suffering? Judges have that discretion. How about the most powerful, righteous judge of all?

Logically we must suffer so he can be right. That sounds like pride to me. But God has no sinful pride.

Fooled me.

W.Once

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