by Gill 24 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
It revealed the truth - the ways of those involved - to themselves and hence to others
Consider the wts - do they just dislike those who tell the truth about them ?
What if the law of the land gave them free reign on truthsayers ?
Consider the burning of witches and heretics - it tells a truth about the perpetrators that may otherwise not be revealed.
It would be nice if we lived in an ideal world but as things are at present in a non ideal state, the world has to go through a lot of suffering. Biblically man has his share of responsibility by rejecting the opportunity afforded by the gospel. But when the new world or creation if you like arrives the perpective will be different.
After millions of years the six or seven thousand years of human suffering will appear as a tiny point of time in human history.
Hi Gill
I find myself agreeing with your sentiments.Apparently gods' perfect justice required the death of a perfect man. But gods' justice is NOT perfect. Perfect justice would hae required the death of King David after his adultery with the 'hot babe' Bathsheba and the subsequent arranged killing/murder of her poor innocent husband. What a bastard David was for all that! But god bent and twisted his so-called justice for his own ends and didn't go through with what the law said. That is thoroughly hypcritical and reprehensible!! The torturous death of Jesus is inexplicable in the light of this.
Peace
Lowden
What a bastard David was for all that! But god bent and twisted his so-called justice for his own ends and didn't go through with what the law said. That is thoroughly hypcritical and reprehensible!! The torturous death of Jesus is inexplicable in the light of this.
Agreed!
This also shows that God can call the shots and adjust matters to suit his own ends; this being the case, why then, didnt he just destroy Satan right from the very start instead of making us suffer these few thousand years? He has demonstrated that he can do what he wants and when he wants, why make us suffer.
This to be honest is how I struggle to cope with the concept of God, being a creator in the Christian sense.
DB74
lowden,
Didn't Jehovah also kill the innocent baby from the David/Bathsheba story?
I remember asking an elder about this sin of David because I really wasn't happy with the outcome especially of the husband being sent to his death and no apparent punishment for David. He became very denfensive and dismissive, he said, "well the husband was a soldier and would have died in battle anyway, David just quickened the process." And he added more crap to these excuses that I don't remember now but I do remember not being satisfied at all.
Why didn't he just have one of his buddies chop his head off with a sword? Quick-n-easy with no pain (If done correctly). He could have absolved him by saying; "Father forgive him..." like he said with the Romans.
Elsewhere,
"Quick-n-easy with no pain (If done correctly)"
Explain!! I hope you are not an expert at this!!
Spectrum
Yes the baby 'got it' too. The reason the elder you asked came up with such a lame excuse is because there IS no excuse or reason for this disgusting behaviour. The fact that no one can come up with a valid reason for such actions prove the unreasonableness of this bestial god.
Peace
Lwden
Yes, there is not excuse for this behaviour, but it's not God who did it - it's God who copped it.
Is the idea of a trade or deals so entrenched in jwism that you guys can't postulate further ?
You can respect an animal when you kill and eat it - and even deny that there's a problem with that, stating that it's the correct order of things - but who justifies torturing it - no one - that's the point.
So, depending on whether you believe that Jesus is God, or whether you believe that Jesus is God's Son, who is the worst one? Is it the Father who demands that his son be tortured to death, or is it the God that demands He be tortured to death?
To me, there is no justification for either and neither make sense if you are claiming that God is an all powerful, supreme, loving God.
