What happened to the Father?
Last I heard he was hav'n the day off
by MARTINLEYSHON 56 Replies latest jw friends
What happened to the Father?
Last I heard he was hav'n the day off
Yep, Jesus and I have a close personal relationship. Sometimes we just hang out and shoot hoops. I tell ya he's one good friend. It turns out we both dated the same girl in high school.W.Once
Lol at this... I hate it when people talk about being 'close' and 'personal' with an entity that has never communicated with them, they cant see, and has no feelings for the rest of the poor suffering mankind only YOU, because you put lots of exclamation marks in your sentences!!!!! You might as well say you are close and personal with Elvis. (At least his music touched me!)
How can you possibly have a relationship with Jesus? And this is rhetorical, because I'm sure you would have an answer, but it would not make sense to me. My close and personal relationships are with beings I can get close and personal with.
So no religion is not for me, I cannot be swept along with emotion for a god that allows the world to be like this (if he/she is even there)
Poppy x
How can you possibly have a relationship with Jesus? And this is rhetorical...
I don't care if it rains or freezes as long as I got my ..
Yeah good call. I don't have the time or the inclination. Mr Frass is atheist and I'd feel silly. I've developed the inclination that if there's a god, we're nothing to god. We're the bacteria being observed through the microscope by the scientist - mildly interesting, but of no importance.
My reason is I have lost pretty much any faith I have had. I do not really want to get involved with any religion now. I am not even sure if I really believe in God anymore...which may sound daft becuase you either believe or don't believe...but I am not sure....I think I am leaning towards don't believe....Which I guess means I have lost any hope I might have once had.
I am still a Christian and believe in God (it's called faith folks - Heb 11:1 - something laughable to many people on here), however after the JW experience I can no longer tolerate being associated with any religious group which is teaching crap, because the cognitive dissonance is too much to take. And they are all teaching crap to various degrees. I'm content to just sit on the sidelines and wait until God sorts it out and makes it clear what he wants us to do because right now it's a total dogs breakfast.
I had pretty much decided that most organized religions are more of a social club than anything else long before I met the dubs. I flirted with joining a church for the youth groups and association for my kids, but I really wasn't keen on going to church every Sunday or anything. Unfortunately, I did have a desire to know more about the Bible and what our purpose was on this earth...so, when the JWs came by, there I was, ripe for the plucking.
Being a witness reinforced all of the negative thinking about religion that I'd brought in with me and solidified it. Honestly, in my mind witnesses were my last hope of a "true" religion...and I was so convinced that they were what they said they were. Once I started seeing through them, well, that pretty well was it for all organized religion for me.
I won't say I'll never look into religion again, but the chances are pretty slim.
Because in the end all religions are based on FAITH -- an absurd concept.
HAHAHA...All this talk about "no faith", "no religion", reminds me of the R.E.M song, "Losing My Religion"...see if you remember it and feel free to sing along:
Life is bigger
It’s bigger than you
And you are not me
The lengths that I will go to
The distance in your eyes
Oh no I’ve said too much
I set it up
That’s me in the corner
That’s me in the spotlight
Losing my religion
Trying to keep up with you
And I don’t know if I can do it
Oh no I’ve said too much
I haven’t said enough
I thought that I heard you laughing
I thought that I heard you sing
I think I thought I saw you try
Every whisper
Of every waking hour I’m
Choosing my confessions
Trying to keep an eye on you
Like a hurt lost and blinded fool
Oh no I’ve said too much
I set it up
Consider this
The hint of the century
Consider this
The slip that brought me
To my knees failed
What if all these fantasies
Come flailing around
Now I’ve said too much
I thought that I heard you laughing
I thought that I heard you sing
I think I thought I saw you try
But that was just a dream
That was just a dream
I'm Catholic, born/raised. I never felt pressure or demand from being Catholic or even the notion of being watched or critized for doing what I want to do. My family is very liberal in that sense. Religion is not the center of our lives, it's just not viewed that way. We don't spend endless ours "studying" the Bible or in constant conversation about God, Jesus, Holy Spirit, confession, 7 sacraments, going to church, etc. We know it's important, but it's not to the point where our lives revolve around it. My sibs and I were never forced to go to mass each Sunday, we went because we wanted to. I can see how a JW can become "religionless, faithless, etc." it is just too much of an overload if while growing up you're "forced" to practically memorize the Bible, watch yourself, act right, field service, meetings, and be "perfect"...OMG, you poor folks, I can see how all this pressure can be too much to bare and eventually YOU EXPLODE (especially young people)...So, I understand the way you feel...I went to Catholic schools my whole life, but trust me, I never felt that way. It NEVER got to that point. I go to mass when I want to and if I don't, I know I won't be getting a phone call or given any weird looks by the priest or other members of the church. It just doesn't happen in my life. Therefore, I guess to each his/her own. I like my faith, I do believe in God/Jesus, but I also know that there is more to life than to follow an organized religion to make others happy! God is everywhere and not in any building or book.
This is a rare moment of the really serious James... no wise cracks or anything...
Marion Dunlap (QV in ancient thread history r.e. Ray Franz & Marion's brother Ed Dunlap) - told me at just about the time of his death, that the one thing he really felt worst about the JW system of religion was this:
"They have pretty much destroyed the ability of thousands of good people to have faith in ANY sort of organized religion!"
He had that gun pointed at me, and of course he was right on. But, I think it applies to most of us here on this website as well.
Sincerely, James