by Stephanus 41 Replies latest jw friends
I live in a rural area where there are lots of farmers who raise livestock and fowl in large quantities. I've never witnessed any of them torturing their animals. I'm not doubting that these things happen, but I don't believe it is the "norm".
However, I have seen many people starve thier pets half to death, and not one thing can be done about it. Where is PETA when these things happen?
I live in a rural area where there are lots of farmers who raise livestock and fowl in large quantities. I've never witnessed any of them torturing their animals. I'm not doubting that these things happen, but I don't believe it is the "norm".
Of course it's not. Farmers are in reality business people; what value is it to them to sell damaged product? A healthy, happy animal grows better and tastes better. A lot of the animal cruelty stuff paraded by PETA and the Vegans (sounds like the worst band ever! ) is urban myth or downright deliberate falsification.
I have been reading the posts pro and con PETA. Stephanus' posts have given me reason to further research the subject. Personally, I side with Kate and Insomniac and even though I am an almost vegetarian, I don't believe I dislike people because I like animals. Every propagandist against PETA has used that ploy.
Although I have never protested for or with PETA there are local animal rights groups I have protested with and I will say this for animal rights activists whether PETA or others: It takes a hell of a lot of guts to be a minority on a downtown city street with truck drivers screaming "why don't you get a real f......g job" than it ever did when I was a Witness proseletyzing door to door. With a householder it was just one on one.
It seems the animal rights issue can be is as highly charged as religion. With animal rights activists there's no disguising what you are there for.
With animal rights activists there's no disguising what you are there for.
Really? What ARE you there for?
For more humane treatment of animals? As society gets wealthier, we can afford to become kinder and more informed on how to make life better for the animals we depend upon in our day to day existence.
To stop people eating animals altogether?
To stop people having pets and companion animals?
To stop all co-existence between people and animals?
Every propagandist against PETA has used that ploy.
Hard to argue against that accusation - have you seen the "Your Daddy Kills Animals" propaganda comic? The "argument", if you can call it that, is that a dad that fishes is perfectly capable of killing his kids' puppies and kitties, just because he's so addicted to killing.
| Stephanus: For more humane treatment of animals. As society gets wealthier, we can afford to become kinder and more informed on how to make life better for the animals we depend upon in our day to day existence. Yes, for the reason above stated. I am no longer involved in the animal rights movement but I still have compassion for mistreated animals. To stop people eating animals altogether? No. We were there to inform the public of commercial farming of animals. To stop people having pets and companion animals? Nope. I have a dog and a cat. To stop all co-existence between people and animals? No. have you seen the "Your Daddy Kills Animals" propaganda comic? The "argument", if you can call it that, is that a dad that fishes is perfectly capable of killing his kids' puppies and kitties, just because he's so addicted to killing. No....haven't seen that one. Sounds a bit sensationalist. | ||
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PETA people are crazy. They turned loose mink from cages here. Of course the mink didn't have a clue where to go or what to eat.
Juni
It takes a hell of a lot of guts to be a minority on a downtown city street with truck drivers screaming "why don't you get a real f......g job" than it ever did when I was a Witness proseletyzing door to door. With a householder it was just one on one.
Kazar, hi.
Weren't you ever yelled at and told to get off my f***** porch while in service? I was and also an old guy poked me in the chest while he yelled.
PETA people are extremists. In many cases they do more harm to animals than good. I love all animals and worked at a wildlife rehab center for 5 years. Our worst possible "enemy" were PETA people who possibly could come and release the sick animals. It's all emotional crap and they don't use their heads. They feel all animals are being abused if kept inside and not living freely. I agree that all animals deserve kindness and health care (and my pup Jasmine gets lots of kisses). But they go further than this in their beliefs.
Juni
Hi Juni,
Thanks for responding in a civilized manner, although I must say your first post made me laugh out loud (about the minks). I visualized all these critters running around.
You sound very sensible about the subject. I do agree that there are extremists in all walks of life and the animal rights activists I knew were really obsessed. I never felt completely comfortable with them but I did admire their courage. My affiliation with the group was minimal because of it. I am surprised that PETA has allegedly committed the crimes they are charged with and I have no reason to doubt what you tell me. What I am reading on this forum about PETA is unsettling to me.
I never had anyone insult me when I went door to door though I'd heard many horror stories of what happened to others.
Anyway, thanks for the information. I will be doing some researching on PETA.
Stephanus: For more humane treatment of animals. As society gets wealthier, we can afford to become kinder and more informed on how to make life better for the animals we depend upon in our day to day existence. Yes, for the reason above stated. I am no longer involved in the animal rights movement but I still have compassion for mistreated animals. To stop people eating animals altogether? No. We were there to inform the public of commercial farming of animals. To stop people having pets and companion animals? Nope. I have a dog and a cat. To stop all co-existence between people and animals? No. have you seen the "Your Daddy Kills Animals" propaganda comic? The "argument", if you can call it that, is that a dad that fishes is perfectly capable of killing his kids' puppies and kitties, just because he's so addicted to killing. No....haven't seen that one. Sounds a bit sensationalist.
Sounds to me like we're on the same side. I have pets, and I absolutely loathe the mistreatment of animals.
Animal rights activists in Australia have a very bad reputation. They've been known to club captive dolphins to death because "they weren't really living"; they've poisoned butchers' meat and scrawled "Meat is poison" on the walls. Your PETA, with its showing of videos of poultry mistreatment that could have come from anywhere and anywhen, in order to malign a good corporate citizen like KFC, is very much travelling up the same path, IMO. That's why I'm arguing against them here.
Thanks for responding in a civilized manner, although I must say your first post made me laugh out loud (about the minks). I visualized all these critters running around.
I know it sounds amusing, to have these furry critters frolicking around the place; if I hadn't read more on the subject, I'd have the same visual image you do. Unfortunately, the release of the minks has pretty well ruined rural Britain. They're a type of weasel, and they're the terror of farmyards (chicks and ducklings) and woodlands and meadows. They're prolific, and there's not much they won't eat. And being weasels, they're as cunning as!
