Death unnatural in humans...another Watchtower lie!

by Gill 20 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  Gill

  The WTBTS teaches that death in human beings is unnatural and was brought about by Adam eating the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of good and bad.

  They claim that one of the proofs that death is not natural in humans is the reaction of humans when one of their number dies....terrible grief. They claim that animals do not care if one of their number dies. They give the example of sheep in a field who couldn't give two hoots if a fellow sheep dropped dead.

  However, the mate of a neighbours dog died a few weeks ago. Its surviving mate has barely eaten since. It whines pitifully and there is no consoling the poor thing. The mate of one of my birds died. She grieved pitifully for weeks and weeks.

  Death, as tragic as it is, is natural in all living things.

  That it isn't, is just another pathetic Watchtower lie.
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  Joe Grundy

  Gill,

  I was reading somewhere recently on the net about elephants who return to grieve after the death of one of the herd. can't remember where or give a link.

  How are your current problems with son? Any resolution? (Just being nosey) but thinking of you.
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  vitty

  Joe, I instantly thought about elephants. They have graveyards where they go when they are dying, these places have the sceletons of dozens of elephants. They will also visits these places on an annual basis, sort of visiting their ancestors. Very interesting topic.
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  Gill

  Hi Joe!

  Actually I haven't seen my son since Friday, and he doesn't answer his phone.

  In our conversation on Friday he said that he considered himself to have been Emotionally abused by us for bringing him up, or attempting to bring him up as a Jehovah's Witness. The lad got to stop going to meetings from when he was 13 years old!!! I said that I'd been brainwashed JW for the first 37 years of my life, never known a Christmas, a Birthday, a Present, spent my childhood as a freak not allowed to play with anyone now a JW. Etc...

  Anyway, I'd done my explaining on the JW girfriend's family problem and he's just not interested and won't see our point.

  I'm not one bit impressed with his Emotional Abuse accussation, but I think a lot of us brought up JWs who tried to bring up our kids JW are open to that accussation. It's not an excuse for bad behaviour on his part and I'm not going to listen to it. If he's that unhappy with us, perhaps he should make his own way in life. At present he's falling from one pile of manure to another!

  So...I suppose it's not going to well, Joe! But thanks for asking, anyway.
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  Gill

  On the elephant subject, I remember seeing a wildlife programme showing the same situation with elephants.

  Grieving is a natural process...it goes along with death.

  Funnily enough, when very old people die, and they've had a full happy life, the grief is not so bad, though still there.

  The tragedy and pain seems to come with painful deaths, and younger deaths, unexpected or with terrible illness.

  There is sadness when an older person just dies in their sleep, but a certain satisfaction with a full and fulfilled life.

  It's a different kind of grieving.
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  Joe Grundy

  Hi Gill

  If it's any consolation at all, when my daughter was 16/17 she asked her mum and I if we would sign a form for social services to the effect that we were irreconcileably distanced from her so that she could leave home and get housing benefit to live in a flat. We were quite upset and angry and told her that no, we weren't distanced, she wa just a teenager who at times was a pain in the ass!

  Now (she is 23) we can laugh at it (even though her mum is now my ex, we are still good friends) and she agrees she was a bit daft and trying it on. (She also remembers with some humour how she had met the love of her life and decided she wanted to spend the night with him. So we talked about it, and her mum bought candles and things, her mum and I went out for the night and stayed in a hotel so daughter could have her 'first' in comfort rather than squalor, the back of a car, etc. Daughter now thinks (as do we) that this guy was a dork).

  You do the best for your kids, and all you can do is hope it turns out OK.

  Only you and your hubby know your son, but IME, I wouldn't worry too much about giving him the 'conform or you're out' option. He is old enough and I don't think there's too much risk you will lose him for ever. When he's just a little older he may well realise that his behaviour is not that well thought out.

  As for his JW upbringing, I never was so I can't comment. But it seems to me that if he had love, a home etc. he doesn't have much to complain about. Better parents who care enough to set rules which in hindsight seem a bit wacky than parents who don't care enough to set any at all.
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  sass_my_frass

  An lesson stands out from this for me: sheep are stupid and loveless. I'd much rather be a goat, sure they eat any old thing but they're fabulous escape artists.

  How's that for Use of Illustrations?
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  lovelylil

  Gill,

  sorry to hear about the problems with your son. You are right you cannot blame your parents for everything. I for one was terribly abused physically and mentally as a child by my father. But once I became of age I made my own life. I have two kids and are nothing like my dad with them.

  Although my daughter who is almost 14 drives me absolutely crazy! No matter how nice I am to her, she claims I am mean. Usually when she does not get her way. Anyway, I let it slide because I hope she will out grow it.

  I think the best you can do if your son is an adult is say look, I am sorry for what you went thru. I am not minimizing it. But you have to realize I was emotionally abused by the org. also during my upbringing by my parents. It was the only way I knew how to deal with my kids. Ask him since if you can agree to move on from there. You cannot change to past, you can only make a new future. Good luck to you, Lilly
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  jwfacts

  Too true.

  Another sign that we are meant to die is that everything dies. All living things, plants, animals, and even non living things such as stars. Nature tells us that we are meant to die.

  Science has even found that each time a cell divides the DNA shortens till it can not shorten anymore, and so we can only live a finite period of time.
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  LittleToe

  In contrast to the bible writers who used the example of sheep because they saw them in everyday life, the WTS writers really haven't a clue.

  If you've ever seen a Sheep bleating over it's lost lamb, or a lamb staying by the side of its dead mother, you'd see something a little deeper than nonchalant disregard.