by vitty 23 Replies latest jw friends
My husband and I spent a few hour yesterday getting to grips with 607. I had printed out the KISS method which Allyemom posted.
It was simple to follow and understand. Now we need something like that for the seventy years, we tried to get some information but it was very confusing. Can anyone help?
vitty
I agree wholeheartedly with the KISS principle in relation to the seventy years. Celebrated WT scholars have long championed this approach by advocating the biblical fact that the seventy years was a singular, definite historical period from the Fall of Jerusalem in 607 BCE until the Return of the Exiles in 537 BCE. The seventy years consisted of three main elements according to Jeremiah, Daniel, Ezra and Zechariah: EXILE, SERVITUDE and DESOLATION. This understanding of matters is far superior to the nonsense of the Jonsson hypothesis and current scholarship.
scholar JW
Celebrated WT scholars have long championed this approach
Those mysterious "celebrated scholars" again.
At least Jonssonn isn't a coward who hides his name.
And don't give us that rubbish about the "celebrated scholars" want the "glory" to go to Jehovah and not themselves.
All those guys are worried about is being exposed as being deceitful liars, weak scholars.
No wonder SCHOLAR praises them, they are his equals.
Scholar, I appreciate you reply and I dont want to be rude but I would take what you said more seriously if you didnt try winding ppl up by calling the WT cronies "celebrated scholars". This is something you do for your own amusement im sure and NOT because you believe it.
Its a red herring to confuse the topic and I dont want this thread going the same way as many have before it. We will consider the WTs view point against other theories.
Thankyou.
Who cares about some seventy year period in history? Well, I guess I do care about my seventy years as that is the only seventy years that I can experience. If I have to read about it in some old mysterious book that can't be understood except by some self proclamed scholar, what good does it do the normal population?
If faith in Christ is what gives christains everlasting life why worry about some seventy years affecting only Jews? Oh I forgot, God was a raciest and only dealt with Jews, even Christ only preached to Jews. Now I remember, he had other sheep who were gentiles, no they were just not anointed sheep, now all the anointed faithful slave(sheep) are gentiles. I think my mind has been ruined by all those years as an "other sheep not of this fold" JW. Wow, that coffee must have had something strong in it.
Ken P.
I care because my family are still in the org and we really need to know what we are talking about if we ever get onto the subject of 607
Scholar
Celebrated WT scholars
I missed the names of these when i was a jw. Could you list the names here, or in a separate thread, so we can all celebrate w them? Thanks.
S
Ps, i knew about fred and ray franz, but not the others. Who are they?
Now this is unbelievable. I usually post FLUFF and get 2-3 pages of replys. And when I post a "serious " topic, I get a couple who have answered me. Its been viewed 137 times !!!!!!!
Are all you clever cloggs out there still in the land of nod, or are we all bored to death with the subject
I'm sorry vitty, I've been out so long I can't remember how to explain any of that prophectic BS and I don't care anymore about those still in. I'm in a bad mood today, don't care about much of anything.
Ken P.
Well, the beauty of the KISS approach is that it involved only statements from the pubs and thus did not require any complicated knowledge of chronological issues.
I think something similar could be done for the "seventy years". I think the Isaiah book quote would be Exhibit A. But it may be harder to tease out some other statements. For instance, the Society below shows that Jeremiah 29 (which mentions the "seventy years") was addressed to exiles already in captivity BEFORE the destruction of Jerusalem:
***w79 11/1 p. 25 Divine Judgment Against the False Prophets of Christendom ***
The Middle East was already under the domination of King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon. This was particularly so since 620 B.C.E. [= 600 BC, standard chronology], when Jehoiakim of Jerusalem became a vassal king to Babylon. His brother Zedekiah proved to be the last vassal king of the holy city, Nebuchadnezzar putting him upon the throne after demanding his sworn allegiance. When Nebuchadnezzar left Jerusalem for home, he took the deposed king Jehoiachin and Jewish nobles into exile. He also carried off sacred utensils from Jehovah’s temple, putting these into houses of the false gods in Babylon. How long were those holy utensils and other valuables from despoiled Jerusalem to stay in Babylon? That question was hotly disputed in the fourth year of Zedekiah’s reign [i.e. 594 BC in the standard chronology, 614 BC in the JW chronology].
A false prophet named Hananiah the son of Azzur presumed to speak in Jehovah’s name and specified, "two full years." That could be only if by then Babylon was overthrown and Egypt returned to world power. ... In those ancient days of political unrest in the Middle East, even the already deported Jews in Babylon had false prophets among them. For those pseudoprophets who were building up false hopes among the Jewish exiles in Nebuchadnezzar’s land, God sent this message through Jeremiah: "And as for you, hear the word of Jehovah, all you exiled people, whom I have sent away from Jerusalem to Babylon. This is what Jehovah of armies, the God of Israel, has said concerning Ahab the son of Kolaiah and to Zedekiah the son of Maaseiah, who are prophesying to you falsehood in my own name, ‘Here I am giving them into the hand of Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, and he must strike them down before your eyes. And from them a malediction will certainly be taken on the part of the entire body of exiles of Judah that is in Babylon..." -- Jer. 29:20-23.
The above-quoted words were part of the letter that Jeremiah sent from Jerusalem to the exiled elders, priests, prophets and people in far-off Babylon, using as his mail carriers Elasah the son of Shaphan and Gemariah the son of Hilkiah, when King Zedekiah of Jerusalem sent these two emissaries to King Nebuchadnezzar at Babylon. (Jer. 29:1-3) In that letter of Jeremiah, Jehovah told the exiles to expect no early deliverance from Babylon, but to settle down there and marry and multiply. Instead of scheming to revolt, "seek the peace of the city to which I [Jehovah] have caused you to go into exile, and pray in its behalf to Jehovah, for in its peace there will prove to be peace for you yourselves. . . . For this is what Jehovah has said, ‘In accord with the fulfilling of seventy years at Babylon I shall turn my attention to you people, and I will establish toward you my good word in bringing you back to this place.’"--Jer. 29:4-10.
But that's too much text to read in a KISS thread!
