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domi0031

Bonjour,

Un site a vu le jour et met à mal le Béthel de France. Actuellement l'excommunication d'un Témoin de Jéhovah français est pour la première fois rendue publique en langue française. Il y a un échange de courrier entre les deux parties et ce courrier révèle comment quelques anciens considèrent leurs frères et soeurs dans la foi.

Cela se passe en temps réel, et je suis venu vous demandé d'encourager ce chrétien qui tient tête à la Watchtower et démontre sa foi en la Bible et en Jésus-Christ.

http://www.temoinsdejehovah.info/themes/docs/excommunication.htm

Bien à vous

greendawn

A new website has gone up that is exposing the French Bethel, the disfellowshipping of a French JW has been made public on a French speaking website for the first time. There is an exchange of e mails between both sides that shows how some jw elders think about their brothers.

Please encourage this faithful Christian who is struggling against the WTS.

http://www.temoinsdejehovah.info/themes/docs/excommunication.htm

(Rough translation)

foreword

Not a bad translation greendawn. I wouldn't have done better.

I just want to add....the french poster talks about "courrier" which is regular mail compared to "courriel" which is e-mail. So the brother probably has hardcopies of letters sent to him by the elders or the org. or something like that.

greendawn

Thanks Foreword, it shows that my time in France wasn't wasted if I can still remember so much French three years after leaving the country.

Domi, that web page is very long and due to the language barrier it would be good to give a short precis of what it tells us.

Narkissos

I linked to domi's webpage a few days ago and translated part of one elder letter here:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/113468/1.ashx

greendawn

Narkissos I saw the brief translation on that thread (your post 5322), from what I understand the French guy was expelled for talking against the divorce and the blood policy of the JWs.

The JWs will expel anyone that disagrees with them even on issues where they are clearly in the wrong or where excommunication is a ridiculously severe punishment, eg Bowen, Barbara Anderson, Carl Jonsson. That's where one can easily detect the cultic nature of this organisation that masquerades as the truth.

The bottom line is that any one challenging in any form the authority of the FDS who is in reality just the GB will be expelled, end of story. Those geeks fiercely resent seeing their authority challenged in any way, and there is no point trying to argue with the elders as to why they are wrong on the issues in question. It's a waste of time.

To them the real wrong is challenging the FDS, it's an article of faith in the WTS. Anyone rocking the boat even for the right reasons, has to go. The JWs live under a Stalinist regime.

Narkissos

from what I understand the French guy was expelled for talking against the divorce and the blood policy of the JWs.

Apparently his Judicial Committee (in new JW French, comité de discipline religieuse = Religious Discipline Committee) should have met with him yesterday, May 27th. He said he would go with an observer (which usually JCs don't accept). I don't know the outcome yet, perhaps domi will tell us more.

bikerchic

Translation from Alta Vista Babel Fish Translator: Hello, A site was born and puts at evil Béthel de France. Currently the excommunication of a Witness of French Jéhovah is for the first time made public in French language. There is an exchange of mail between the two parts and this mail reveals how some old considers their brothers and sisters in the faith. That occurs in real time, and I came asked you to encourage this Christian who holds head in Watchtower and shows his faith in the Bible and a Jesus-Christ. http://www.temoinsdejehovah.info/themes/docs/excommunication.htm Yours sincerely

domi0031

The outcome.

They have been registered. Their foolishness and their lies are now on accessible for all. Guy is excommunicated but without knowing for which reason, everything had been planned by advance. The brothers and sisters are regarded as idiots (or stupid ones) by one member of the comitee and many more. It is on the Net, it is gratis and something to vomit. Normal, its a picture of their mother the WT.

One surprise, even Jésus word about the marriage are rejected. A must.

To summarize. Guy was an elder from many years ago and start not to attend the meetings regularly. He discuss a little bit about blood issue and lent a booklet written by Ray (blood issue). to a friend of him. It has been stolen by his friend's daughter. Then, the big machine starts. Because Guy is a very mild (soft) man, They thougt that Guy was somebody to crush. He asked me to make public its lawsuit. The exchange was by letter till the meeting's comitee. And even there, we have everything.

greendawn

Domi there is nothing unusual in that decision, the WTS has a firm policy to expel anyone that dissents with their ideas whether they can prove that person wrong or not. It's so pointless arguing with the JW elders since their instructions are to expel anyone that disagrees.

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