What leaving really means

by under_believer 18 Replies latest jw friends

  • under_believer
    under_believer

    Recently my family had occasion to attend a function held in our honor, an event commemorating a certain achievement. It was thrown by close relatives, Witnesses all. It included parents, grandparents, cousins, siblings, auties and uncles. Some drove over an hour to get there.

    Everyone brought a bit of food and it was a sumptuous feast, including dessert!

    Gifts were given us, nothing ostentations, but including some very thoughtful and kind things. Things purchased and given in the spirit of fellowship and family, things specifically chosen out of knowledge of our likes and dislikes, our needs and wants. Nobody in my family, including the children, were overlooked. Beautifully written cards included personal expressions of congratulation and encouragement.

    Afterward, the rather large group split into pieces. Some talked over beer, some played cards, some retired to the back room for video games. My kids played with the other kids that were there.

    We discussed old times--old friends--old experiences in the door to door work--old meetings--old assemblies. We talked about friends, family, acquaintences, people we knew who were sick, people we knew who were pregnant, people we knew who had died, people we knew who were in great pain. We compared notes with other parents on raising our kids, on recent medical checkups, on children's progress in school.

    We were, other than the people that lived there, the last ones to leave. As each family departed for the drive home, we thanked them sincerely, and they warmly gave us our welcome. Hands were shaken, smiles exchanged, entreaties to drive carefully were given.

    This was not lovebombing. Topics of discussion notwithstanding, this had nothing to do with being Witnesses, it was a close extended family enjoying each other's company. It was part of the support network. It was the clan, the tribe we were born in or married into. It was one of the better manifestations of the human condition.

    I don't want to lose this. They don't want to lose me. There's a mutual esteem, a sincere friendship. I am family. And yet, and yet...

    I know that Jehovah's Witnesses are hogwash. I know it's a sometimes destructive cult. I know all of the problems. I'm well versed in the beliefs, the customs, the teachings, better, in fact, than any of the people who were there that night, including the three elders. I fully, mentally, checked out a long time ago.

    My conscience bothers me every time I invoke Jehovah to get my kids to get dressed for meeting. I shatter a bit, inside, every time I say a prayer for them before mealtimes or at bedtime. I die a little every time I stand and sing at the meetings. The thought of asking my children to take a stand (for a stand they will have to take) for something I don't even believe in is anathema to me.

    And I know that all those truly, sincerely loving family members will turn their backs on me if and when I leave. Most of them will continue to love me, they will feel great sadness at my choice (for choice it is,) they will perhaps even shed many tears over such a formerly valuable contributory productive family member departing for "Satan's System," but shun me they will, for ever more. And this will not make them cruel or evil--they love me. They still will. They are held in thrall of this cult and its rules and its legal system and its evil manipulations, as much as I used to be.

    No more family. No more support network. No more gifts given or received. No more handshakes, sumptuous meals, lingering goodbyes. No more video games, card games, talks over beers. No more reminiscing over the past. No more heartfelt greeting cards, no more talk of raising children. No more hugs, no more kisses.

    No more love.

    This is what my conscience contents with every day. This is the choice before me. This is the end I face. This is what I drag my family into, my happy, faithful, loving wife, my eager, intelligent, bright, vivacious kids.

    It's easy to say "it's hogwash, just leave." And who can argue with that? Not I. But it's a hard, cruel, bitter bargain, a hollow victory, a death of thousands of cuts. It's anguish.

  • What-A-Coincidence
    What-A-Coincidence

    i feel for you underb

  • moanzy
    moanzy

    It's such a hard and so unfair decision to have to make. I think most of us struggled with realizing how our choice of leaving this org would cost us our families and any of the good that comes with extended family.

    I didn't make this choice lightly and infact found it very hard to finally hand my family their religion back to them. It's now been almost 3 years and I have to say that it has still been worth all the pain of living without family.

    My family while very disfunctional was still my family. Getting away from the religion and family was bitter sweet. It was a relief, but it hurt so much. I think the hurt stems from being treated worse than evil when all I did was not want their religion.

    The freedom though is like nothing I've ever experienced. Not having to feel guilt for so many meaningless things like meeting attendance, service etc and just looking after my family and my own needs.

    I hope this helps you some.

    Moanzy

  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother

    I feel for you, under-b .. You have expressed so eloquently the dilemma that so many of us have. It is so easy for singles or those already d/f'd to say to us "Just tell them where to stick their religion" . The reality is often much more difficult.

    I do not have such a large family as you. Raising children must be the hardest thing. I have never experienced the kind of reunion that you enjoyed - but still I have a wife and sisters and nieces ... If I were d/a'd or d/f'd the family would be hurt , and my wife would suffer the knock on effect of my being 'persona non grata'.

    Why should that happen? If I keep my head down I can continue like this indefinately. The dubs never want to talk about religion when socialising anyway.

    I hope that things go well for you.

  • Steve Lowry
    Steve Lowry

    Ok, maybe you don’t wanna read this reply, as I’m not as nurturing as others are when it comes to this particular issue (shunning). I realize you have an emotionally rewarding network of people you feel very connected with. But ponder on the following for a moment. You believe these people love you right? (JW's). Then put it to the test. Leave and see who sticks and who don't stick. Chance are, maybe one percent might stick, and that would prolly be optimistic. (I've seen this over and over again.) You’d be right to view it this way.

    So, you and I believe in God the same way. We go to the same place of worship. Our kids grow up together. I went to your wedding. I say, "I love you, man", when you need a best friend. But then something happens and you no longer believe in God the same way I do. So what do I do? Do I value our relationship by respecting your choice? Do I show you that I truly love you by standing by you and defending your right to worship God as you see fit? No, I dump you. I throw all that we have and all we will ever have together as friends, away. And why? Were you found out to be a child molester? Was it discovered that you’ve been selling drugs? Did you cheat on your taxes? No. You simply changed your spiritual paradigm. And for this I can no longer have anything to do with you? This is not love. Love doesn’t run off because people evolve in a manner different that expected, albeit a spiritual one. You may find God in another way, or you may decide there is no God at all. But that in and of itself should not destroy a relationship, if the relationship is built on solid ground. This is a middle ages mentality. What you have with your JW colleagues are relationships built on conditions. Your relationships here are based on a Watchtower Society ideology foundation. Sure, we will be your friends as long as you think, act and behave just like us. Otherwise, we won’t be your friends anymore. We will turn our backs on you. We will demonize you to help justify our behavior (Don’t think they wont). And we will say how much we love him, but we will not associate with him until he admits he’s wrong and once again thinks, acts and behaves like us. (Cult)

    If this is love, then I’ll pass. But this is not love, no matter how the JW wishes to spin or sugarcoat it. When I left in 1979 I had life long friends who simply vanished overnight. A sister who disowned me and a mother who for years struggled with her love for me vs. her loyalty to the Watchtower Society. Her love for me eventually won out. I have a daughter who is ten years old. If she became a JW, a Moslem, a lesbian, a murderer, I would not shun her. No sir. Because to do that means I never loved her in the first place. And anyone, who tells you they love you and shuns you, is lying, to you and to themselves. They aren’t worth your friendship.

    Start over. You still have your whole life ahead you. Many, many relationships can develop. Some will fail and some will succeed. But let those relationships take their course based on genuine strengths (and weaknesses) between each other and not based on common beliefs. There’s’ a huge difference between the two. Staring over is not for the faint of heart. This is why (I believe) so many Jehovah’s Witnesses never leave when it is in the heart to do so, and why they return to the group after they have left. The Watchtower Society has a powerful control over its followers and those who are in power realize this fact and capitalize on it. (Must keep those presses going!)

    Be strong and listen to you heart. Follow your true instincts in this matter. Obviously, this is something you have given great consideration. I realize you are also thinking about how this will effect your immediate family. That’s a tough one, but I’d rather teach my children to recognize genuine friendships than allow them to be fooled into the type that are based on faulty conditions.

    This is all IMO of course. If anything I have said offends you, I apologize. But I do not apologize for speaking what I believe to be the truth. Truth can be a hard road to follow. But I’d rather find truth on a rocky road, than a bunch lies on a smooth highway. Everyone has to decide their path. I respect yours, whatever it is. Good luck.

    Steve Lowry

  • parakeet
  • parakeet
    parakeet

    Underbeliever said, "No more family. No more support network. No more gifts given or received. No more handshakes, sumptuous meals, lingering goodbyes. No more video games, card games, talks over beers. No more reminiscing over the past. No more heartfelt greeting cards, no more talk of raising children. No more hugs, no more kisses.
    No more love."

    Do you really believe that only the JWs are capable of these feelings? I've had far more good experiences like those you describe AFTER I left the JWs. JWs are human--they are capable of warmth and friendship. But everyone else is human too, just as capable, if not more so, of love and support. And most will not turn their backs on you if you don't hold the exact same beliefs they do.
    Having said that, I still sympathize with your predicament and your reluctance to put your family through the unpleasant upheaval of leaving the JWs. Best of luck.

  • jwfacts
    jwfacts

    That is what is so unfortunate about spending years as a JW. The last several decades were building up a community that can not ever be totally replaced. You could have the same community regardless of your religion, but it is unfortunate that as an enlightened JW the time comes when you have to make a choice of whether to loose it all or not.

    I have to admit though that getting over the lose has not been nearly as hard as I expected. There has not been a single weekend since I stopped associating with JWs that I have not had someone to do something with. I took time prior to leaving to build new friends, even better friends in some regards. We still get invited to large gatherings, we don't know as many yet as we did, but each time gets easier. I imagine that in 10 years I will barely notice that I am no longer a JW. And there are a surprising number of my old JW friends that I am finding have also left and are only to glad to keep in touch.

    At the end of the day, if you know it is not the truth you can not keep in it for too much longer. Eventually every lieing word and arrogant statement from the platform will eat at your very soul. Now is the time to make contingency plans. Build a second life so the transition is not nearly as painful. There is no need to rush leaving, make sure you are ready first.

  • freedomlover
    freedomlover

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/104412/1.ashx





    It does get better though and there is life outside of this org. and there are wonderful people out there who aren't JW's.

    Just keep showing love on your side and it may give them incentive to think things through.....

  • press any key
    press any key

    for myself, if I die tomorrow I know I have achieved one thing in life, my kids wont be raised in a cult like I was

    cheers

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