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patio34

Hi all,

This is a good start to a book "Reasoning with the JWs." Great answers--am printing them out and will remember them.

Introspection, that's a valid point about the fruitage. Then, it's a masterful point about the number of disfellowshippings! I've never thought of that. Great idea. If the Org is so good at producing good people, why are so many 'bad?'

Expatbrit, Those are simple to-the-point questions that should give pause.

JanH, that's so true to use the same rule they themselves use on other religions. I've touched on that once, but think I'll just use question, putting the burden on him as to why that rule applies only to JWs.

NeYank, those, too are great questions. Are any of you lawyers? That's the way to drive a point home: with leading questions.

Seeker, you did not disappoint! The dialogue is great--circuitous, but great. I intend to closely follow it.

Vitavegam... Just makes my blood boil, all the leeway the R&F are supposed to accord to the hierarchy, but it only goes one way. The R&F have no recourse but to eat dust, and smile, and sell WTs, and devote their entire life, and children, and on and on and on.

Thanks for all of these great suggestions. I feel much better armed now!

I JUST LOVE THIS BOARD!!

Warm regards,
Pat

proplog2

Those who condemn JW's need to account for a few extraordinary things when combined identify them with the behavior of early Chrisitans.

1. Love for mankind that leaps international boundaries. No other organization on earth has united such a diversity of nationalities. They follow Christs example in remaining neutral in the worlds affairs yet as Paul did they utilize their privileges in a civil society to facilitate their preaching work.

2. They have the courage to excommunicate those who practice wrong.

3. They are outstanding examples of people who use persuasion not the Sword (Catholics Moslems and others) to bring others into their fold. They have done this publicly and in the homes. Even systematically dividing areas into territories to make sure all have an opportunity.

4. Througout their history they have asserted that the end of the world is near. The end has not come "yet". Like good watchmen they have sometimes shot at shadows but nevertheless they have been on duty.

5. They universally would rather die than break god's laws. Blood Transfusions although an over-zealous attempt to be faithful still demonstrates their willingness to put their life on the line. At least they didn't die defending a symbol sewn from cloth.

Jesus had his critics too.

waiting

Howdy Proplog,

At least they didn't die defending a symbol sewn from cloth

That would be an inaccurate assumption on your part. They are willing to die for what that symbol stands for - their country, their families, their way of lives. Oh, and oil sometimes. Hey! They're just imperfect men too, ya know.

Now, back to jw's willing to die instead of taking a blood transfusion......Maximus and Hawkaw have put up pages of research into the quotes that the WTBTS uses in the Blood Transfusion Booklet. And more than one quote is taken out of context.

One of the less brilliant times was when they quoted a scientist (who was also a minister) about "pouring the blood of animal onto the ground." Oh, the WTBTS quoted that portion right - but left out why those people poured. It was a HUNTING RITUAL and showed respect for what the blood represented - A SYMBOL OF THE ANIMAL'S LIFE.

JW's are willing to die for the SYMBOL of life, and throw away the actuality of the symbol ----- the life God gave them.

Do your research --- even the WTBTS calls blood transfusions "organ transplants."

waiting

Seeker

proplog2,

May I suggest you take your comments to a new thread, and not hijack this thread? If you do, I will be happy to show you how every one of your points fails to point to JWs as having the truth. I won't say any more about it in this thread, however.

proplog2

Seeker:

No one has the "truth". But I believe these are significant differences between JW's and other so-called Christian religions.

JT

seeker

you have summed up the basic mindset that one encounters when dealing with a "Loyal" jw

they lack the ability due to the constant indoctrination process to actually put 2 and 2 together and come up with 4

for the avg jw in my opinion - when they are asked a question along the lines of questioning or doubting the org all they know are 2 things

whatever answer one gives- it must not -and i repeat MUST NOT
MAKE THE GB/ORG/FDS/JAH/SLAVE/ look bad,foolish or wrong at anytime during the discussion

BOTTOM LINE

JAMES

JT

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proplog2

Waiting:

The blood thing is really screwed up. The intentions are good. Of course the Sanhedrin had good intentions when they decided to kill Jesus. As far as the hierarchy among JW's... I think they REALLY believe their policy on blood. When they see their errors I think they will change that policy. Does anyone have solid evidence that a Majority of the GB believe their blood teachings are wrong?

I personally believe its ok to drink blood if that's a traditional part of your diet (Masai tribe) and it doesn't stumble anyone in your presence.

The Jews still believe in ritual mutilation ie. circumcision. If you believe in the Bible, that crazy practice doesn't disqualify them from being the chosen nation.

dungbeetle

Something I've always wondered along the lines of this topic...

In yearbook after yearbook, going back decade after decade, Jehovah's Witnesses discuss their experiences in the field service, and also in daily life in areas where there is famine, war, or other stife. They have made statments to the effectt that they believe angels and holy spirit are directing the preaching work in general, and individulas in the field in particular. Even in a recent Watchtower, angels are stated to be involved in the preaching work. ("Those engaging in the spiritual harvest have angelic support--7/15/01 pg 17)

My question is this...if angels and holy spirit are involved with the imperfect and uninspired-by-holy-spirit rank and file JW in the 'field' why on earth are the angels and holy spirit so uninvolved in the Writing Department and the Governing Body Meetings such they THEY don't get into trouble all the time?

Am I the only one who wonders about this...I would really love to know.

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dungbeetle...cleaning up the crap.

waiting

Howdy proplog,

May I suggest you take your comments to a new thread, and not hijack this thread? If you do, I will be happy to show you how every one of your points fails to point to JWs as having the truth. I won't say any more about it in this thread, however. - seeker

I'm following Seeker's lead - if you want to discuss JW's in general, blood or otherwise, please start a new thread - I'll follow you too.

Hey dungbeetle

Nice to meet you.

My question is this...if angels and holy spirit are involved with the imperfect and uninspired-by-holy-spirit rank and file JW in the 'field' why on earth are the angels and holy spirit so uninvolved in the Writing Department and the Governing Body Meetings such they THEY don't get into trouble all the time?

Never thought about it - but that would seem like a good question to throw out to a jw......and get no answer.

Guess the making of new converts is judged a higher priority than truth to those already converted?

waiting

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