I think we have to approach this issue not as ex-jdubs but as citizens of this world. Having unfortunate encounter with a cult we may tend to dismiss anything that would even remotely hint at the end of civilization, as we know it. What we have to understand is that these issues have nothing to do with borg. WTBS is just one of those, as they call them 'war profiteers' i.e. benefiting from predicaments people find themselves in.
Similarly, it would be imprudent to dismiss the idea of global warming 'just because Al Gore says so'
He is a politician and as such is riding a wave of real issues to attract attention to himself. What we've got to understand is that these issues exist beyond and irrespective of whether cults or ambitious politicians are using them for their benefit. I would be very foolish to dismiss such issues on basis of who talks about it.
There is a growing community of real scientists who are pointing at human impact as direct causal influence on changes we observe in our weather. In fact, I would dare to say that those with opposing view are rapidly becoming a minority at least outside of US if not there.
On the other hand, it might not be such a bad idea to have Al Gore talking about those issues, after all people usually do not pay attention to what scientists have to say anyway, so having someone like Al willing to raise awareness of these issues might be a good thing for a change.
A Very Convenient Liar - Al Gore
by MegaDude 41 Replies latest jw friends
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zagor
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Mary
Here's a real reliable source on global warming:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1wogkDmLlQ&search=george%20bush%20global%20warming
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jstalin
Global temperature over the last 160 thousand years:
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SixofNine
No Jerry, I assure you, I'm deeply bothered by hypocrisy. I hate it.
I'm not, btw, calling you a hypocrit here. But the people who orchestrated the whole "Al Gore said he invented the internet" thing (which I bought into till I researched it) are rank hypocrits and liars.
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Big Tex
I remember reading on a Yahoo news story (it must be true if it's on the Internet) that scientists had drilled down several miles in Antarctica and pulled out a sliver of ice that they tested. Apparently the levels of carbon are higher now than at any time in the past several thousand years.
Now does this affect the weather? Does that amount of carbon warm the planet? I really don't know. I do think it must have some affect, but I also think that global weather shouldn't necessarily be judged only on the past 100 years. Temperatures have risen and fallen dramatically over several thousand years and the ice caps have shrunk and grown accordingly.
It would be interesting to see however if/when we convert to hydrogen/nuclear fusion, et al. if that would cause global temperatures to lower.
Chris
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james_woods
Do you know, he could have been president - if only he could have carried his own home state...
Don't mess with TEXAS!!!
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rekless
I say if both the demos and the Republos would get their heads out of their butts and work together for the best of the people would be a great improvement.
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OICU8it2
Drudge report had a running tally of the amount of CO2 created by Gore jetting around the world to hype this movie. It's something like 150 years of us driving
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Gregor
One of the real ironies of this whole fossil fuel/CO2 BS is that one volcanic eruption, like Mt. St. Helens (which I can see from my upstairs window) in the early eighties, spews more CO2 than fifty years worth of all the auto emissions in the US.
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Confession
As much as I'm in favor of environmental responsibility, I will call these things as I see them.
I believe it's factual to say the earth has been in a warming trend. But I also believe it's factual that humans have an almost infinetesimal effect on such warming. Something on the order of mere hundredths of a single degree. This warming is therefore caused by factors outside of human influence. Factors that have risen and fallen throughout the planet's history.
Should this provide reason not to create an alternative to fossil fuels--and make no attempt to clean up our environment? No! I happen to live in southern California, and on most days I can barely see the beautiful mountains that are so close to me. I want the air cleaner and I want attention given to those factors that most contribute to it.
But I don't think that spinning the facts sensationally is helping anything here. I do not believe the "environmental movement" began as a political vehicle. But I do believe that liberal politicians hopped on that vehicle at some point and began using it disingenuously to make their political rivals look bad.
I don't think that great strides in these areas usually come as a result of government, but instead as a result of forward-thinking, adventurous individuals and companies. I applaud those that--even now--continue to invent new technologies that make our environment safer.
