NEW LAW IN CANADA FOR CLERGY VISITS (page 2)

Kent

It amazes me how little people care for the important stuff.
When the 'site idiots' post nonsense that has no meaning for anything, folkes flock to it.

So true. It's like TV! Every whiner in the world is watching a prog, slobbering by the juicy sceenes, for later to angrilly call the TV-station to complain.

Much like the whiners here. The problem, my friend, is that these people don't have anything to contribute - except whining. And important posts are drowned in crap.

Yakki Da

Kent

I need more BOE letters, KMs and other material. Those who can send it to me - please do! The new section will be interesting!!

Daily News On The Watchtower and the Jehovah's Witnesses:
http://watchtower.observer.org

alirobbi

Thanks bx,

This is good news. Does anyone know if the US has anything similar?

Bibleexaminer and Jan,
Your points on ignoring significant, well-documented and researched posts is well taken. This is but one example. A related thread that moved recently, on posting an up-to-date ``scorecard'' on what is and what ain't permitted re blood and derivatives is another example.
For someone who folows this closely, it's a simple clerical task that could save a child's life. Who out there is totally current on this issue?

Abaddon

Hang on, are we starting to blame the uber-whiners for making the board scroll and then diverting the topic of this thread to a discussion of the uber-whiners?

That would be silly.

Let's take a highground chaps, keep this thread focused, and start a new thread about low quality posts rather than be accused of being hypocritical.

Pork Chop

If this post is so 'well researched' and 'important' it would be nice to see some basis for the following statement:

"This change, I am sure, is based on the practice of JW blood gestapo frequenting the hospitals and scanning the patient lists under the guise of CLERGY PRIVILEDGE, looking for JWs sneaking into hospital and getting blood based treatment.

The actions of the elders was deemed against the law of patient confidentiality, and so their privelidge was CUT."

If this is simply an assertion based on your own opinion then I have to question whether it is indeed 'well researched' and 'important.' Maybe that's why it's not getting a lot of attention.

anewperson

Note that any and all signatures on "No Blood" cards are signed "UNDER DURESS" of discipline from elders of the Watchtower Society. Is a contract a valid contract if one of the parties is forced to sign it? It's like having a gun being put to your head and told you must sign the document or else. Some may happily sign such a document but I'll guarantee you many don't for it also violates what Matthew 7 teaches including verse 12. 1Samuel 14:32-5 says Saul's men ate unbled meat as it was an emergency situation where they otherwise would have died, and nowhere does it say the men (his whole army) were punished for it. Come clean, Watchtower men who tell people to let their children and other loved ones bleed to death!
Shame, shame, shame on you, O Babylon!

bluesapphire

BX, thanks for this new info from Canada. I had an experience when I first began to question the blood policy but was still going to meetings. My husband was out of town and I thought I was having a heart attack (it turned out to be anxiety about the org) anyways, my "worldly" dad took me to the hospital and told them I was JW. I spoke up and said, "No I'm not!" much to my dad's surprize. The lady told me, "Are you sure? Because if we put JW, your elders will come and visit you. We have an arrangement to call them right away."

Needless to say, I really, adamantly said I am not a JW. Later on I told the lady that I am a JW but did not believe in the blood doctrine and that if JW elders showed up, they would force their beliefs on me and force me to lose my life or be disfellowshipped. I also told her they should change their policy of calling elders automatically because there may be other JW's who secretly do not believe in the blood doctrine.

I wish this would become law in the 50+ United States.

LDH

Blue,

I wonder if that's an anomaly. Even when I first moved to Fresno, I had to go to the ER because I was involved in a car accident (16 year old hit me from behind at 60 mph).

At that time I gave them JW as my religion. NO ONE ever came to see about me.

Now, when I go to that same hospital for outpatient services, I make sure my religion says "None" or something similar.

BX, would you clarify what you meant about them scanning the document for 'blood based treatment?' Are you telling me the visiting elders were given the patient's diagnosis? If so, we already have laws against that in the US. It's called patient confidentiality. They won't even tell your spouse your medical business if they don't have your written permission.

Also, does an elder have to show Clergy ID? If that's the case, does someone have a scanned copy of one of the Clergy ID cards? I'd be most interested to see it.

PS I'm thinking maybe the reason your post didn't get rave reviews is people not living in Canada may have felt uninterested?!? Not justifying, just explaining.

Lisa

Had Enough

Hello all:

I'm sorry you feel this subject isn't getting the attention it deserves...Please be patient and non-judgemental of us all. Many of us can only "pop in and out" for a few minutes at a time and miss many good threads.

AND..please people...don't categorize everyone who doesn't respond to this and other important threads as whiners. Many read the thread and don't respond for their own various reasons....that doesn't mean they aren't reading it and benefitting from it.

As for myself..I'm grateful someone responded and brought it back up to the top for me to notice it tonight. It, and one other thread, have made me start thinking seriously about talking to my da'd son about what my wishes are in a medical emergency. Since the rest of my family are JWs, they naturally would think it was their duty to step in, call the elders, and insist that I "would not want a blood transfusion", even though I haven't been attending regularly for a few years now.

Thank you...I have been following the many threads lately on the WTS deception in the blood issue...and it has made me very conscious of how manipulative the WTS can be through its well-trained HLC, no matter how dedicated and sincere, it (the HLC) is.

biblexaminer

For those that wanted 'research'... I am contacting the STAR tomorrow to speak to the reporter who did the piece. I want to find out exactly what he/she knows or doesn't know and the basis for the new rules.

I have spoken to the STAR before and they were suirprisingly ignorant, but very interested in what's transpiring with regard to the Watchtower organization.

As for what used to be the common practice, the elder, and I have been directly involved in this, goes to the hospital and there is a special room marked CLERGY. He gets into this room and gets a anme badge from the hospital that says CLERGY on it. He places it on his lapel and goes to the front desk. He askes for the list of admissions and scans top to bottom looking for JWs.

When he finds one, he's off to the elevator. He does an initial take on the situation and if he deems it necessary, contacts the medical leaison comittee member(s)

From there, the HLC member gets their nose into the patients business. They speak with the JW and intimidate them into telling the doctor(s) that they, the HLC member, should be a go-between, and thus ends up in full control of the medicine administered.

Tomorrow the STAR.

NEW LAW IN CANADA FOR CLERGY VISITS