Verbatim Court Transcript Maria Russell vs Charles Taze Russell

by Terry 23 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • Terry
    Terry

    Did Rose Ball sit on C.T. Russell's lap? Did they caress each other? Did Charlie kiss the young lady who took care of correspondence for the Watchtower? Read the transcript and draw your own conclusions.

    The verbatim record of this testimony taken from the official report of the case on file in the office of the Prothonotary of Allegheny County is as follows:

    Q. I want you to tell us what your husband did in company with this woman Rose, in your presence and in your home.

    A. In the first place I considered it--(objected to and witness was not permitted to finish.)

    Q. Tell us what you saw and what he said was done.

    A. One evening he spent the evening downstairs and our library and bedroom were next to each other upstairs on the second floor, and I spent the evening downstairs reading, and I went upstairs about 10 o'clock to my room, and I supposed that: he was either in the library or had retired, and when I went up there I found that he was in neither place, and I stepped out in the hall, and I found that he was in his night robe, sitting beside Miss Ball's bed and she was in bed. On other occasions I found him going in there and I found she called him in and said she wasn't well and wanted him in, and I objected to this, and I said that it was highly improper, and I said: "We have people about the house, and what kind of a name will be attached in this house if you do that sort of thing?" and he got angry.

    Pastor's Wife Tells of His Alleged Nightly Visits

    Q. You state that you found him doing this at other times. How often after that?

    A. I found him a number of times; I don't remember how often.

    Q. In her room?

    A. Yes, sir. And I found him in the servant girl's room as well. and I found him locked in the servant girl's room.

    Q. Did he make any explanation why he was in the girl's room?

    A. No. He did not; he just got angry.

    Q. What did you say to him about this conduct and what did he say.

    A. I said to him, "We have a great work on our hands," and I said, "In this work you and I have to walk very circumspectly before the world and if you are going to do things like this, what will happen? Suppose you are all right, don't you suppose people will talk about things like this?" and I said, "I am not satisfied with it," and he said he wasn't going to be ruled by me. But I felt distressed about that.

    Q. What did Rose do at the Watch Tower.

    A. She attended to the correspondence.

    Q. Where was her desk with reference to the desk of Mr. Russell of the Watch Tower Society?

    A. It wasn't near his; it was in the office.

    Q. When would he go to the Watch Tower, in the morning?

    A. I don't remember; he generally went down alone.

    Q. Who would return with him?

    A. She came with him in the evening and they came about 11 o'clock and the young men that were in the office -- she was the only girl, and the young men would go home, and he wouldn't allow her to go home with them, and she must wait and always go with him.

    (Objected to.) Q. I want the mere fact, did this girl Rose go home with your husband?

    A. Yes, Sir.

    Q. What year was that?

    A. In the fall of 1894. (By Mr. Porter, attorney for the plaintiff.)

    Q. Did you state to your husband at this meeting any endearing terms?

    A. Yes, sir.

    Q. What were they?

    A. I said "She tells me that one evening you came home --" I asked her when did these things occur. I said to him, "She says they occurred down at the office when she stayed down there with him in the evening after the rest had gone, and at home at any time when I wasn't around."

    Q. Now, about the endearing terms?

    A. She said one evening when she came home with him, just as she got inside the hall, it was late in the evening, about 11 o'clock, he put his arms around her and kissed her. This was in the vestibule before they entered the hall, and he called her his little wife, but she said "I am not your wife." and he said "I will call you daughter, and a daughter has nearly all the privileges of a wife."

    Q. What other terms were used?

    A. Then he said, "I am like a jellyfish. I float around here and there. I touch this one and that one, and if she responds I take her to me, and if not, I float on to others"; and she wrote that out so that I could remember it for sure when I would speak to him about it. And he confessed that he said those things.

    Q. And the young men came home ahead of them?

    A. Yes, sir.

    Q. State to the court and jury what talk, if any, you had with this girl Rose, in regard to her relations with your husband, which you communicated to your husband?

    This question was objected to and it was changed to read as follows: Q. You are to tell what you stated to your husband that Rose had said and his reply to you.

    Mrs. Russell Says Girl Told Her of Pastor's Caresses.

    A. I told him that I had learned something that was very serious and I didn't tell him right away. I let a day elapse until I felt I had control of myself and could talk and then I told him that I had something very serious to tell him about this matter, and he said, "What is it?" and I said, "Rose has told me that you have been intimate with her, that you have been in the habit of hugging and kissing her and having her sit on your knee and fondling each other, and she tells me you bid her under no account to tell me, but she couldn't keep it any longer. She said if I was distressed about it she felt that she would have to come and make a confession to me, and she has done that. (By the court.)

    Q. What did he say?

    A. He tried to make light of it at first and I said, "Husband, you can't do that. I know the whole thing. She has told me straight and I know it to be true." Well, he said he was sorry; it was true, but he was sorry. He said he didn't mean any harm. I said, "I don't see how you could do an act like that without meaning harm."

    Tsk tsk tsk!

  • LDH
    LDH
    Then he said, "I am like a jellyfish. I float around here and there. I touch this one and that one, and if she responds I take her to me, and if not, I float on to others";

    Terry I have seen this court transcript many times, and I can't tell you how the above words make me laugh every time I see them. Russell was a PLAYER!!!!

    Lisa

  • SirNose586
    SirNose586

    Heh, looks like I'm gonna have to use a new name for him, like I use for Boozin' Joe. Pastor Pimp? The Faithful and Discreet Jellyfish (FDJ)?

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    Moreover, Russell demonstrably lied when he claimed later that Rose was only a young girl at the time, and thus he could not have acted improperly to her. Rose Ball's own records show she was about 25 years old in 1894, not 15 years old as Russell claimed or 10 years old as has been falsely claimed by others.

    Some today erroneously assert that Russell was a child molestor on the basis of the Rose Ball story, but in reality she was already in her mid-20s at the time.

  • Stealth453
    Stealth453

    "Suppose you are all right, don't you suppose people will talk about things like this?"

    Hmmm...I thought he was sure that he was right and had the "truth".

    Tell me it's not a lie.

    HA!!!!!

  • Gumbley
    Gumbley

    Not unlike his Illuminist promiscuous criminal brothers.

    Satan's top perverted clique.

  • Terry
    Terry
    Terry I have seen this court transcript many times, and I can't tell you how the above words make me laugh every time I see them. Russell was a PLAYER!!!!

    The Jellyfish comment is troubling. Exactly what was the jelly for?

  • Terry
    Terry
    Some today erroneously assert that Russell was a child molestor on the basis of the Rose Ball story, but in reality she was already in her mid-20s at the time.

    The relative differences in age would make her a metaphorical child.

    I wonder how Rose paid for her sudden trip to Australia when the court case came up??

  • kid-A
    kid-A

    "Yes, sir. And I found him in the servant girl's room as well. and I found him locked in the servant girl's room."

    Geez, he was diddling the maid, too? Oh Chuck, you horny old goat!!! LOL

  • cathyk
    cathyk

    I understand that M. James Penton didn't put a lot of credence in this story. I wonder why not? It seems pretty straightforward. The details Maria gives all seem plausible; C. T.'s reactions are precisely what a guilty man's might be -- denial and bluster. Is there more later on in the transcript that would discredit her testimony? If she recanted later on, was it under duress? Just curious.

    Cathy

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