Disassociate or "Fade"

by done4good 33 Replies latest jw friends

  • Honesty
    Honesty

    Fading is easier IF you can keep a LOW profile.

    Since the cult changed the announcement of DF'd and DA'd to, "Bob Exxxns is no longer one of Jehovah's cute little Witnesses." the congregation has plenty to gossip about how you were such a bad person and weak in da truth.

    DA'ng closes the door on the cult leaders ever asking you to join them again providing you serve penitence for an undislosed number of months or years.

    I went the DA route back when they announced it as Disassociating from Jeehoobie's organization.

    It confirmed to the congregation that I am an apostate.

    But, then again I wanted the congregation to start wondering why such a person who always talked about Jehovah and His love would reject Him.

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    JT is the poster who argues most convincingly against official DA letters, Finally-Free. I can't say if I agree with him one way or the other, but he is a well-respected poster with convincing views. He's the ex-JW who came up with the memorable phrase, "cheese and cracker men".

    Here's his stiffest argument against DA'ing:

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/49816/1.ashx

  • rekless
    rekless

    When you DA your still following their rules. (though it does give finality and a clean break) I DAd and I don't think I followed their rules, it was on my terms and time. I just wanted them out of my life ASAP; afterall,I had been in that congo some thirty years. Elder and the whole ball of wax. The letter is just to keep from having to lie everytime you run into some dude. Hell new things new friends, no lying no talltales.If you are fading, that's good, but you'll always be looking over your shoulder.

  • fullofdoubtnow
    fullofdoubtnow

    It all depends on one's personal circumstances. I da'd because, to me, that was the best option. The jws have left me alone to heal because I'm no longer one of them. However, I have no family in the org, so losing people close to me, apart from long - time friends in the org, wasn't a worry. I can well understand why people with many close family members in the wts choose to fade.

  • kid-A
    kid-A

    "This has come up before, and so far NO ONE has been able to offer a reasonable explanation for their statement that to DA is "following the WTS rules"

    I agree its not an issue of playing by their "rules". It is however, playing their game. First, imagine the power trip it gives the BOE getting one of these letters. Look, we had so much control over so-and-so's life and are so powerful, that they actually feel the need to write a formal letter to us, "explaining" their reasons for leaving. Thats cool if the act of writing the letter is self-therapeutic, but I can pretty much guarantee, the BOE just skim these letters, avoiding all the "apostate" statements, write up the DF forms and promptly throw the letter in the garbage. All they are thinking at this point is "what a pitiful, misled apostate, cant wait til jehoobie smotes his/her sorry ass!", and thats that. Their entire power structure and control has just been reinforced.

    As for the 'pros', sure, they will avoid you like the plague from that moment on, they will also likely begin a smear campaign which will affect remaining family members that you may still care about, regardless if they themselves are still in the borg.

    The point is simple. Why needlessly bring this amount of 'drama' into your life if it can be avoided? Fading out is really the only route to take if you want to go "on your own terms". Why? Because the message the fader sends, silently, gracefully and without theatrics, is the following: "I dont care about this organization. You never owned me. I dont owe you the PLEASURE of a letter. I am going to live my life by my rules. You are so insignificant to me that I will not take the time or effort to bother sending you a letter or formally giving you a "reason" for my departure. I dont need to give you a reason".

    Now, what are the "cons" of fading? Sure, there is no "formal" divorce. They may call you a couple times (however I have known people that have been fading for years whom have never once been contacted by JWs, in fact, that would be the majority of cases I am familiar with). Even so, there is something called "Call Display" which can very effectively handle this problem shoud it arise. OK, maybe you will run into some dubs out in public once in a blue moon. So what? Big dea, say "hi" and continue on your merry way. What the hell are they going to do? Force you to the KH at gun point??? I doubt it. The reality is, any power we think they have over us is 100% illusion. They are toilet scrubbers in suits. Nothing more, nothing less.

    I would finally add, I have known several individuals who took the high drama route out of the borg and had to deal with devastating consequences, for themselves and families still inside. I have never known a fader to have experienced anything more unpleasent than dealing with an annoying elder once or twice on the phone or the odd awkard public encounter. Take your pick. The explosive power of "catharsis", while greatly tempting, contains an unknown quantity of emotional TNT.

  • willyloman
    willyloman

    What kid-A said, and he said it brilliantly!

  • Finally-Free
    Finally-Free
    First, imagine the power trip it gives the BOE getting one of these letters.

    I have yet to meet someone who feels empowered when someone puts them in their proper place or tells them to f*ck off.

    Look, we had so much control over so-and-so's life and are so powerful, that they actually feel the need to write a formal letter to us, "explaining" their reasons for leaving.

    I never felt the "need" to explain anything to them. As I said earlier, sending a registered letter would serve as notice that they were directed to avoid contacting me or tresspassing. If they came to my home anyway, a registered letter carries more weight in a court of law than merely my say so. Or theirs.

    The most important thing when leaving the cult is to do it in a way that allows you to maintain your self respect. Everything else is secondary.

    W

  • Genesis
    Genesis

    Another argument for DA'ing is preventing against Homeostasis. Homeostasis is when you change your behavior drastically after a period of time your brain tells you to go back where you came from in order to avoid the pain of having a new way of life (or think).

    So if you want to left the JW and are still weak cause you just learnt all the Truth about the WTS but you know that if elders or your friends find about you they will convince you again then DA'ing prevent you all this shit cause when you send the letters its too late.

  • eyeslice
    eyeslice

    Fade - it seems to be so much easier all round.

  • kid-A
    kid-A

    I have yet to meet someone who feels empowered when someone puts them in their proper place or tells them to f*ck off.

    And therein lies the problem, because you only think you are putting them in their proper place. The words of an apostate mean absolutely nothing to a BOE. To them, you are nothing but a twisted, bitter apostate doing the work of satan. I think listening to the infamous recording of "sick of lies" BOE meeting said it all. The more insulting and beligerent SOL became, the more emboldened and empowered the "elders" became, as he fulfilled their expectations of the "evil apostate". Of course, this was SOLs intention to prove, and he did so brilliantly I might add. They feel "empowered" because A) the DA letter simply "confirms" all their theories about evil apostates and B) the DA letter is a representation of great effort on the part of the sender, affirming that yes, the BOE really does have enough power over the individuals life to warrant the production of a formal document.

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