by MegaDude 28 Replies latest jw friends
but I remember reading that the state of Israel was invaded in 1948, 1956 and 1968 (and that's to say nothing about the 1972 Munich Olympics). That's got to create a certain amount of hypervigilience, if not paranoia especially if your country is the size of New Jersey.
1948, 1956, 1967 (6 DAY WAR), 1973 (Yom Kippur war)
Here's an even shorter history...
1982 - Israel invades southern Lebanon to secure it's boarder.
2000 - Israeli PM gets elected with the promise to pull the Israeli army out of southern Lebanon and they do...quickly.
2000 to 2006 - Oh my...big surprise. Hezbollah, with the help of Syria and Iran, take over southern Lebanon and have years to dig in. They pick a fight and now have, as they put it, a big surprise for when the Israeli army begins it's ground assault.
Absolutely insane what the civilians on both sides have to put up with.
Adding a bit of flavor to the topic, it was primarily Christian nations that had been persecuting Jews in their own country that decided to create a "homeland" to which they could send their problem away to. So Russia, Germany, Britian and other European countries got rid of the "killers of Christ" by putting them in Palistine. Only it didn't absolve them!
carmel
I think the Jews should have their own homeland in a place that historically belongs to them, the Arabs have plenty of land from Morocco to Iraq.
It's a shame that some Palestinian organisations will not accept that Israel should exist while they themselves should rule their own Palestinian territories in the West Bank. They want Israel completely dismantled and erased from the map.
If the fanatical and idiotic Palestinians ever get a state of their own
But they did. The Palestinian Arabs were given most of Palestine, which is now called Jordan. The Palestinian Jews were given a tiny strip of land, now called Israel. Land is not the issue for those who claim to be fighting for a Palestinian state. The issue is the existence of the state of Israel.
I think the Jews should have their own homeland in a place that historically belongs to them, the Arabs have plenty of land from Morocco to Iraq.
It does NOT "historically" belong to them. This argument only is valid for bible kooks and other assorted religious loons. They were a conquered people and booted out long, long ago. Do they really believe that some ridiculous book of fairy tales (written by their own ancestors) provides some "heavenly" justification for the existence of the "secular" state of israel? Bullocks!!!!
By this logic, ALL the land in North America, South America and Australia should be given back to the indigenous NATIVE populations, as it was forcibly stolen from them.
As for metatrons argument, equally ridiculous. The exact SAME thing could be said of pretty much EVERY modern secular state in existence today! The USA wouldnt exist today without the historical roles of Britain and France eradicating the Indian populations. So by metatrons logic, this gives France and UK the moral right to march into the States, bulldoze your houses, kick your families out into the streets, treat them like subhumans and take over your land?
Great post, kid-A! (by the way, it's bollocks, not bullocks)
Truth be known, true Israelis, Arab and Jew, are all a bunch of Canaanites! Once again religion has caused a division.
Ian
I highly suggest the book 'Jerusalem Besieged: From Ancient Canaan to Modern Israel'. He takes you through the entire history of the city, the wars, the conflict, and the peace.
These territories have allways been the property of those who have fought and won dominace over the other side, end of story. What we have now is global politics and mass media that guids the decisions of these leaders and in most cases keeps them from going into all out war, exactly what would have happened if this situtation was going on 500 years ago.
"Adding a bit of flavor to the topic, it was primarily Christian nations that had been persecuting Jews in their own country that decided to create a "homeland" to which they could send their problem away to. So Russia, Germany, Britian and other European countries got rid of the "killers of Christ" by putting them in Palistine. Only it didn't absolve them!
carmel"
dear carmel... Will it be well when He searches you out? Or can you mock Him as one mocks a man? He will surely reprove you if you secretly show partiality. Will not His exaltation make you afraid, and the dread of Him fall upon you? Your platitudes are proverbs of ashes, your defenses are defenses of clay. (Job 13:9-12) A lamp is despised in the thought of one who is at ease; it is made ready for those whose feet slip... love michelle
Interesting comments.
Let me remind folks that there really is no such thing as a "palestinian" people. Firat, the land was first given the name "Palestine" by the Romans after they had deported most of the Jewish population by force (though they never deported them all). The folks left in the land were a hodgepodge of Jews, Christians, and other folks from the area. After that, the land was invaded by the Arabs, Europeans, then Turks. All of whom did their best to disposess the previous inhabitants in favor of their own. At the time Brittain took possesion, the Ottomans (Turks) were the dominant folks with several Arab ethnic groups inhhabiting the land. Palestine originally consisted of alot more territory than Israel now occupies. There were concerns about the Arab inhabitants not having their own country, so two countries were created out of Palestine when the land was partitioned so the the "palestinian" Arabs would have their own land. The other country is now called Jordan and it got the lion's share of Palestine by far. Egypt got the other part of Palestine given to the Arabs. The Jews were given less than 1/4 of Palestine. That is what was left out in that article.
The problem isn't Israel, it is the greed of its neighbors and the bigotry of the oh so superior European elites where antisemitism has been an art for centuries, period. The "Palestinians" were given plenty of land for their own. They just want it all! And they have the blessings of moral retards back in Europe to count on.
Forscher
