by FMZ 70 Replies latest jw friends
Yeah, today I looked at my watch and it was 14:43 o' clock! I actually had to think about what time that might be and figured out it was 2:43.
Just add or deduct 12 hours. For instance, if it's 0100, you don't have to add anything because it's not after 12 p.m. At 1pm add 12 and that's 1300. . . and vice versa. . . if it's 1300 deduct 12 and it's 1pm.
I hoped that helped.
MsMsducket:
I'm glad you pulled through... the board wouldn't be the same without you, dear. Thanks for your input on the "poll" too. Duly noted ;)
Kudra:
I only just noticed you are female... lol, and here's me calling you "mate". Anyway, sleep well and have a great day tomorrow. Enjoy.
I think I'm going to head to my sleeping bag on the floor of my cubicle too for an hour, and then back up to do more programming on this damn project. Hope to hear more from everyone ;).
Love and laters
FMZ
I have not read this thread.........so sorry if i repeat a thought.
I know from working in MRI office around the machines........that magnetic forces can change watches.
I had a watch that did not work for about a year and kept forgetting to take it for a new battery.......so I wore it to work, and well, it started working again. The best we could come up with was the magnets from the MRI machines.
I know they have magnet therapy.......Nikkon sells magnet products for healing.
Just my thoughts,
purps
Hey Keith.
Im not a near deather, but I have spontanous obes about 2-4 nights a week. Last night I had my first obe starting from a waking position. I do not wear a watch for the same reason, but even worse is I 'zap' electronic/elecromechanical devices easy. Im not talking logic circuitry/static problems. Box closed, just thinking about it. Just a laying on of the hands if you will LMAO.
It seems to be almost a subconscious choice. I usually get a premonition like: "Oh crap, its gonna happen... yep crap, its gonna happen" then bam the device is hosed, components are failing. I've become good at making up some technical line of bullcrap to explain it away to customer.
Here's the skeptical POV.
From the page FMZ references as the source of the 80% figure:
After asking 27 NDEers if they wear a watch, about 80% said no. Most say they do not wear watches because they mysteriusly stop working. Some say their watches work fine when they don't wear them. I originally read about this phenomenon in a Melvin Morse, M.D. book ("Transformed by the Light" page 142). I originally thought he had to be crazy when he wrote "One-fourth of a study population that mysteriously stops watches is astonishing, especially compared to the other groups we studied." When I read that, I stopped reading his book. I thought he was being absurd if not lying. Up to that point, I had enjoyed his book. But now I'm a convert. If you know of any NDEers, just ask them two non-leading questions: 1) Do you wear a watch? 2) Why not? The vast majority of NDEers are not aware of this phenomenon and they don't connect their watch problem with their NDE.
Morse says 4% of normal adults and 2% of out-of-body experiencers claim they make watches stop. (emphasis mine)
Ignoring the fact this is is not a scientifically valid study, and is just anecdotal evidence, which as we all know is 'no evidence at all' (as the saying goes)... ignoring that:
What the above quoted text says is:
80% of NDEers do not wear a watch
not
80% of NDEers cannot wear a watch because they stop working
What does it actually say about the number of NDEers who cannot wear a watch because they stop working?
Most say they do not wear watches because they mysteriusly [sic] stop working (emphasis mine)
It is not stated what figure most accounts for out of the 80%.
It is 'interesting' that the author is able to calculate the 80% figure, but unable to put a percentage on the real figure of interest: those who don't wear a watch because it mysteriously stops working.
The second piece of 'evidence' goes against NDEers. According to the statement about the Morse survey, 4% of adults and 2% of NDEers claim they make watches stop. So having a near-death experience makes you less likely to stop a watch, according to these figures. Given the potential for people to be credulous, I'm surprised the figures are this low.
Without further clarification of how these surveys/studies were conducted, and the exact figures involved, we are left with only the fluff of anecdotal evidence, from which you can draw exactly zero conclusions.
Yeah, today I looked at my watch and it was 14:43 o' clock! I actually had to think about what time that might be and figured out it was 2:43.
Just add or deduct 12 hours. For instance, if it's 0100, you don't have to add anything because it's not after 12 p.m. At 1pm add 12 and that's 1300. . . and vice versa. . . if it's 1300 deduct 12 and it's 1pm.
But MsMcDuckett, wouldn't it be just easier for me to throw the damn thing away? I ain't in the army....so why do I need an army watch?
My buddy next door had an NDE and he has no problems with his watch. He was talking to some creatures and they laughed when he asked what the true religion was, they said it didn't matter.
I apparently don't have any electricity in my body, my watch has been working since 1980 and I havent replaced the battery but a few times. I also handle computer parts without being grounded and have had no problems. I've been shocked with A/C current several times and it didn't kill me either. Maybe I'm from Mars.
Ken P.
Skeptic:
So, he says "most" of the 80% of NDEers stop watches... This means that at the very least, 51% of the 80% stop watches. That places us at about 40% at the very least. Again, comparing this to the 4% of non-NDEers, there is a chasm of difference.
As for Morse's numbers, I quote: "Morse says 4% of normal adults and 2% of out-of-body experiencers claim they make watches stop". An OBE is not an NDE, and vice versa. Do not equate the two. This statement says nothing about NDEers, only OBEers.
Undecided:
Thanks for the input mate. Sounds like your friend had quite an interesting experience, and rather reminiscent of a number of accounts of NDEs I have read.
As for the electricity in your body... lol... I wish I could put a computer together with impunity. Me and RAM have a bad record... lol
IP:
Have you ever tried doing it consciously mate?
Purps:
Makes you wonder what kind of forces it would take to stop a watch dead in it's tracks, eh? :) MRIs are very powerful machines. I know in my personal experience with watches, most of this happened when I was in high school, and I was nowhere near any powerful magnets.
FMZ
Have you ever tried doing it consciously mate?
I cannot will a device to go haywire. I say subconsciouly because I get the distinct impression of my subconscious injecting the thought into my conscious. The feeling that its about to happen seems to come from nowhere. I dont see any cues on the device, I've done nothing to it to cause a problem. Hard to explain. I will get a metalic tinge in my mouth and a sense of dread, knowing there is about to be a problem with the device. Sure enough with in seconds there are errors, display problems, partial or no function at all.
You people should convert your imaginations into cash by properly DEMONSTRATING your talent:
http://www.randi.org/research/index.html
To wit:
"The Foundation is committed to providing reliable information about paranormal claims. It both supports and conducts original research into such claims.
At JREF, we offer a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show, under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event. The JREF does not involve itself in the testing procedure, other than helping to design the protocol and approving the conditions under which a test will take place. All tests are designed with the participation and approval of the applicant. In most cases, the applicant will be asked to perform a relatively simple preliminary test of the claim, which if successful, will be followed by the formal test. Preliminary tests are usually conducted by associates of the JREF at the site where the applicant lives. Upon success in the preliminary testing process, the "applicant" becomes a "claimant."
